Huberdeau on the Panthers winning the cup

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Tkachuk is the 4th best player on the Panthers? That is a crazy opinion, sorry.

You can make arguments for Barkov and Bobrovsky, although I think Bob can be on and off. But there is no way he is the fourth best.

You ask 30 teams today to select one player to steal from Florida and all 30 gms take Tkachuk or Barkov.

Meanwhile 4 Panthers with Conn Smythe votes...none for Tkachuk.
Forsling is the new Barkov...most under rated player. He is a top 5 shut down D in the league.

Also, from the star it was right now so we arent talking about age or contracts. The draft thing is moving goalposts.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Meanwhile 4 Panthers with Conn Smythe votes...none for Tkachuk.
Forsling is the new Barkov...most under rated player. He is a top 5 shut down D in the league.

Also, from the star it was right now so we arent talking about age or contracts. The draft thing is moving goalposts.

He led the Panthers in playoff points. But I guess journalists of similar ilk to the great Mark Spector and Jim Matheson should determine whether a player is good or not and certainly a valid proof point of whether a player is top 4 on a NHL team.

[FlamesAddiction]

The whole Panthers team seemed to kick it up a notch after Tkachuk arrived, whether showed up on the scoreboard or not. The swagger he brought seemed contagious. I have no doubt that he makes a huge difference to the sum of the parts over there.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He led the Panthers in playoff points. But I guess journalists of similar ilk to the great Mark Spector and Jim Matheson should determine whether a player is good or not and certainly a valid proof point of whether a player is top 4 on a NHL team.

All the Panthers voters voted the same...take out the Oiler votes if you like. He did nothing in the finals. Was he their 10th best player in the final?
Anyway have your opinion...to say its "crazy" to say their #1 dman ia more important is wrong though...anyone who actually follows that team knows what Forsling is.

[saillias]

Re the initial point Huberdeau was making. Yeah it does suck, how do you think the fans liked that? We barely got 4 years of contention (with 1 playoff miss mixed in there) out of a core that should have had better results than it did. It should have done more. But it had to be dismantled and his performance is partially responsible

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

No, Florida did not.

Bill Zito is not a mad genius with a crystal ball who knows exactly when players will turn into pumpkins. He saw an incredibly rare chance to pick up a young 100-point scorer in a trade and knew he had to give up premium assets to do so.

Florida's biggest worry about Huberdeau was how to re-sign him with a flat cap. It was pretty well publicized at the time.

They didn’t even try to negotiate with him. He was surprised they traded his ass. They had to pay Tkachuk almost as much. They just knew they can’t win him and they were right. They knew, nobody trades their leading scorer in their prime

[memphusk]

Oh I have to give you two 30 year old for a 24 year old budding superstar? Well I suppose.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

They didn’t even try to negotiate with him. He was surprised they traded his ass. They had to pay Tkachuk almost as much. They just knew they can’t win him and they were right. They knew, nobody trades their leading scorer in their prime

Or, they did want to keep Him and Weegar , but it came out that A young star became available. And if I remember correctly they still had a year left to negotiate with Huberdeau so really no rush to approach him yet.

[dino7c]

Yeah if Tkachuk doesnt bail on Calgary, Huberdeau likely is still in Florida.

Zito was also trying to dump Bob. You have to be good but you also have to be lucky.

[memphusk]

And they likely don't reach the finals, or win the cup.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Trying to remember the number of times that Lemieux was a finalist for the Hart. Lemieux did have a career high of 81 points in one season and was often almost in the top 90 scorers in the entire league.

Yeah, I don't think that's a good comparison either.


Bennett, on the other hand, is a great comparison for Lemieux. Both players seemed to find another gear in the post-season, and produce more, not less.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by butterfly

The Kylington thread is exhausting. At least people are talking about hockey in this one.

You’re gonna need more stamina if that thread is already exhausting on July 9th. Summer of CP takes people out but usually not this early.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Red Potato Standing By

Or, they did want to keep Him and Weegar , but it came out that A young star became available. And if I remember correctly they still had a year left to negotiate with Huberdeau so really no rush to approach him yet.

They couldn’t sign him until July 1st and that’s when Tkachuk went in his RFA tour.

[Enoch Root]

Using Conn Smythe votes as an argument for who are the best players, has to be one of the dumbest things I've read on here.

It's obviously a ridiculously small sample size, so let's expand it and consider CS votes from last year as well... Bobrovsky: 0 Forsling: 0 Barkov: 0

The only Panther to get CS votes last year was Tkachuk. So by the (ridiculously stupid) argument being made by most of you, Tkachuk was the best player on the team last year.

Maybe, just maybe, we should think bigger picture than "Conn Smythe votes, dude":

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Yeah, I don't think that's a good comparison either.


Bennett, on the other hand, is a great comparison for Lemieux. Both players seemed to find another gear in the post-season, and produce more, not less.

Totally agree. Bennett is a modern day Lemieux. An average 2nd line player in the regular season and a complete beast in the playoffs.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Florida did. Whatever the expectations were, it’s the worst deal in history and he did it.

Citation needed. Where did someone from Florida predicted the level of fall off that happened?

A reasonable take would be that most would have felt that the risk of the deal was primarily:
- That Huberdeau wasn't a difference maker. A guy that put ups a lot of points but doesn't drive a team or a line.
- That the deal would age poorly

If you can show me where ANYONE predicted the type of production fall off, before the first year of the new deal kicked in - I would love to see it.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If you can show me where ANYONE predicted the type of production fall off, before the first year of the new deal kicked in - I would love to see it.

As far as I can make out, Flamesfan05's argument is that a GM's job is to know the future. Zito is a genius because he did. Treliving is an idiot because he didn't.

You don't need evidence for an argument like that.

[GreenLantern2814]

From Feb 1-end of the season, roughly two and a half months, Jonathan Huberdeau had a PP GF/60 of 14.19. He was the seventh most effective player on the Man advantage in the entire league.

As soon as Lindholm was replaced by Kuzmenko on the man advantage, Huberdeau went back to being an elite producer.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Trying to remember the number of times that Lemieux was a finalist for the Hart. Lemieux did have a career high of 81 points in one season and was often almost in the top 90 scorers in the entire league.

Claude Lemieux scored 13 goals twice in the playoffs and won 4 Cups.

We’ll see what’s on the agenda for Tkachuk. Probably neither.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

From Feb 1-end of the season, roughly two and a half months, Jonathan Huberdeau had a PP GF/60 of 14.19. He was the seventh most effective player on the Man advantage in the entire league.

As soon as Lindholm was replaced by Kuzmenko on the man advantage, Huberdeau went back to being an elite producer.

Lots of players crank it up when the pressure is off.