The Legend of Sam Bennett

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How many did they win when they had both those players?

Not that many but they didn’t know how to use Bennett

They preferred Derek Ryan

Even then, Bennett was a playoff warrior when he was here. Can’t deny that?

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Not that many but they didn’t know how to use Bennett

They preferred Derek Ryan

Even then, Bennett was a playoff warrior when he was here. Can’t deny that?

Wasn't the choice when it comes down to it....protecting Dube or Bennett in the expansion draft?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Wasn't the choice when it comes down to it....protecting Dube or Bennett in the expansion draft?

Bennett had a good playoff, next season they gave the center job to Derek Ryan and put him on the bottom line wing

That’s how I remembered it all started

[kobasew19]

Re sign Bennett when the team is good in a couple of years and he hits UFA.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Bennett had a good playoff, next season they gave the center job to Derek Ryan and put him on the bottom line wing

That’s how I remembered it all started

I think you are right. But i was more thinking about decision to trade Bennett. We likely would have lost him or Dube.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The Flames were in no danger of reaching the finals even when they had Bennett and Tkachuk.

I know it's your schtick to belittle the Flames at every opportunity and criticize every move they make, but lordy! There's enough real material to work with, you don't have to make up crap.

Even add Johnny to that list. Honestly....they'd have been better but not absolute killers .

[SutterBrother]

It’s really going to be something to watch 18yo playoff Sam Bennett lift the cup!

[dino7c]

Bennett asked for a trade and was available for months...nobody offered more. Its not like the Flames were the only team that had doubts.

Hockey is weird, just over a year ago Bob was the Panthers 10M backup going into the playoffs and now he is their best player. Pens beat the Hawks in game 82 they are likely doing whatever it takes to dump Bob's contract last summer.

Oilers top goal scorer drafted by Florida
Panthers top dman drafted by Vancouver
Panthers top goalie brought to the NHL by Philly
Panthers top goal scorer drafted by Buffalo

It isn't unique to the Flames that players sometimes don't hit their ceiling with their first team

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Bennett asked for a trade and was available for months...nobody offered more. Its not like the Flames were the only team that had doubts.

Hockey is weird, just over a year ago Bob was the Panthers 10M backup going into the playoffs and now he is their best player. Pens beat the Hawks in game 82 they are likely doing whatever it takes to dump Bob's contract last summer.

Oilers top goal scorer drafted by Florida
Panthers top dman drafted by Vancouver
Panthers top goalie brought to the NHL by Philly
Panthers top goal scorer drafted by Buffalo

It isn't unique to the Flames that players sometimes don't hit their ceiling with their first team

Hard to hit your ceiling when you aren’t put in a position to hit your ceiling.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nah. Even if we had kept them, we weren’t destined for that.

No Barkov/MacKinnon/McDavid/Eichel/Stamkos.

No Ekblad/Makar/Pietrangelo/Hedman.

There’s just no overcoming that. As much as I loved parts of the roster during the Treliving era, the team just couldn’t overcome the lack of foundational players in key positions.

I get what you are getting at, but in the old Sesame Street one of these things are not like the others, Stamkos doesn't belong in that list. Hedman was for sure a force in their runs, but from the forwards Stamkos wasn't the player that stirred the drink.

[calumniate]

Brett Hull come on down!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

If trading Bennett to Florida is the reason Oilers don't win the cup, I'm ok with that.

Let's not forget about Tkachuk. And that the Oilers left Tkachuk to the Flames at #6 to pick Puljujarvi.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Bennett asked for a trade and was available for months...nobody offered more. Its not like the Flames were the only team that had doubts.

Hockey is weird, just over a year ago Bob was the Panthers 10M backup going into the playoffs and now he is their best player. Pens beat the Hawks in game 82 they are likely doing whatever it takes to dump Bob's contract last summer.

Oilers top goal scorer drafted by Florida
Panthers top dman drafted by Vancouver
Panthers top goalie brought to the NHL by Philly
Panthers top goal scorer drafted by Buffalo

It isn't unique to the Flames that players sometimes don't hit their ceiling with their first team

I don't think it was that no one wanted him. It was hard to make deals during covid.

Treliving mentioned this many times, I think he wanted to shake up the roster but it was hard to make deals, especially for Canadian teams.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nah. Even if we had kept them, we weren’t destined for that.

No Barkov/MacKinnon/McDavid/Eichel/Stamkos.

No Ekblad/Makar/Pietrangelo/Hedman.

There’s just no overcoming that. As much as I loved parts of the roster during the Treliving era, the team just couldn’t overcome the lack of foundational players in key positions.

There's more than one way to win a cup. The whole you need a #1 center mythos has been fed by Crosby. Since Crosby stopped being a dominant force in 2017, it's been Washington, St. Louis, Tampa, Tampa, Colorado, Vegas.

Coloardo had MacKinnon. Eichel has been great for the Kings, but not a franchise level player. The rest of those teams didn't have a #1 centre who performed a role you couldn't replicate with wingers or overall depth.

IMO, the Flames had the players, they were missing coaching, leadership, proper player development, and a winning vibe.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by blankall

There's more than one way to win a cup. The whole you need a #1 center mythos has been fed by Crosby. Since Crosby stopped being a dominant force in 2017, it's been Washington, St. Louis, Tampa, Tampa, Colorado, Vegas.

Coloardo had MacKinnon. Eichel has been great for the Kings, but not a franchise level player. The rest of those teams didn't have a #1 centre who performed a role you couldn't replicate with wingers or overall depth.

IMO, the Flames had the players, they were missing coaching, leadership, proper player development, and a winning vibe.

It goes back prior to Crosby. The only 2 teams I recall having iffy #1C is St. Louis and Anaheim.

Eichel, Backstrom, Point are clear cut #1C.

Kopitar, and Towes.

We have never had a center the caliber of those players.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't think it was that no one wanted him. It was hard to make deals during covid.

Treliving mentioned this many times, I think he wanted to shake up the roster but it was hard to make deals, especially for Canadian teams.

Also the impending expansion draft. You'd either get a rental price or a fairly small number of teams with open slots bidding

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It goes back prior to Crosby. The only 2 teams I recall having iffy #1C is St. Louis and Anaheim.

Eichel, Backstrom, Point are clear cut #1C.

Kopitar, and Towes.

We have never had a center the caliber of those players.

Are Backstrom and Point the kind of #1 centers you couldn't make up for in the rest of the roster with high end wingers and depth though? Are you telling me that prime Tkachuk and Gaudreau couldn't make to for the gap between Lindholm and Point/Backstrom?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

Are Backstrom and Point the kind of #1 centers you couldn't make up for in the rest of the roster with high end wingers and depth though? Are you telling me that prime Tkachuk and Gaudreau couldn't make to for the gap between Lindholm and Point/Backstrom?

Well, did they? You have evidence over 3 seasons. More for Gaudreau-Lindholm.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by blankall

Are Backstrom and Point the kind of #1 centers you couldn't make up for in the rest of the roster with high end wingers and depth though? Are you telling me that prime Tkachuk and Gaudreau couldn't make to for the gap between Lindholm and Point/Backstrom?

Well the 21/22 season was the first time Lindholm played C start to finish. He was propped up by Johnny and Matthew.

And no I don't think he is comparable to Backstrom or Point. Those guys are play driving centerman which Lindholm is not and it showed the last 2 years as he struggled.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Crazy to think of the impact of the Monahan injuries coupled with poor coaching decisions.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Bennett - Mangiapane

Could have been a solid top 6 for another 4 years.