Humboldt Broncos tragedy.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Now let’s ask a similar question but on the other foot. By allowing him to stay in Canada, what does Canada (and Canadians) stand to gain? He killed a lot of kids and adults and had committed multitudes of infractions leading up to the accident. So I ask again, what is his benefit to us and our country? Living here while not being a citizen should be a privilege and not a right and you have to abide by our rules in doing so (he did not).

I don’t see the benefit in keeping him in Canada given what he has done. With that said I do sympathize with him and I’m sure he will be reliving that day for the rest of his life. If the courts decide to not deport him I will understand that as well, I just won’t agree with it.

These aren't well thought out ideas, so apologies if they ramble.

But frankly we will never know what is to be gained is he was allowed to stay?

I don't know this fella, but from all accounts I have read he appeared to be an honest individual that made a horrendous error. He acknowledged his mistake (& again it was ####ing horrible) and took his punishment. This seems like the sort of individual we would like to have as part of our country.

I'd like to think I emigrated (well my parents brought me at 5) to a country of compassion & empathy. Deportation of this fella flies in the face of the type of country I want Canada to be.

The whole thing is ####ing tragic.

[PuckSlap]

I’m all for being a country for refugees. But maybe hold off on other forms of immigration during war times. We are being overwhelmed and for some reason, our government isn’t slowing things down. And housing is ridiculous right now.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

I’m all for being a country for refugees. But maybe hold off on other forms of immigration during war times. We are being overwhelmed and for some reason, our government isn’t slowing things down. And housing is ridiculous right now.

Can you list the Non "War Times" in history for me please.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Can you list the Non "War Times" in history for me please.

Well, i can think of a time where there were no new wars.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Well, i can think of a time where there were no new wars.

Ok when was that time?


Also, apologies that prior post read kinda dickish.

I'm not trying to be. But while Canada might not have been at war, there have been ongoing conflicts since the end of WW2, many of which have been significant on the world stage.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Ok when was that time?


Also, apologies that prior post read kinda dickish.

I'm not trying to be. But while Canada might not have been at war, there have been ongoing conflicts since the end of WW2, many of which have been significant on the world stage.

You are confusing modern conflicts with War. Russia illegally invading Ukraine’s borders and territory is not the same as civil wars. Right now Ukraine is under attack from a nuclear power and are having their cities shelled.

Most of the immigration we are seeing here is from people from India, and they aren’t fleeing due to war or conflict; rather a better quality of life.

Maybe we need to slow down immigration until maybe Israel or Russia stop being Richard’s and people can return home or choose to become citizens. Right now we are being overwhelmed

571,920 is the number of immigrants we’ve seen come in, in the past year. That’s a 21% increase from the years prior.

(Previous year-2023) 471,550

India (118, 095 immigrants) – 27%
China (31,815 immigrants) - 7.2%
Afghanistan (23,735 immigrants) – 5.4%
Nigeria (22,085 immigrants) – 5.05%
Philippines (22,070 immigrants) – 5.04%
France (14,145 immigrants) – 3.2%

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Well, i can think of a time where there were no new wars.

I don't know if there is a great definition, but we are back into a heavier international conflict period:

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I don't know if there is a great definition, but we are back into a heavier international conflict period:

I don’t consider the Russia Ukraine war a conflict

Israel, Palestine, sure. But those aren’t who’s migrating here in droves. Those are refugees and still the numbers aren’t as high as people from India and china.

I’m talking about slowing down current Immigration for a while. Maybe we can get our current situation under control, reduce housing and inflation back to 2019 standards or at least closer.

[PepsiFree]

I get the loose connection because the driver was an immigrant, but I’m not really sure what this situation actually has to do with the broader conversation around immigration.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I get the loose connection because the driver was an immigrant, but I’m not really sure what this situation actually has to do with the broader conversation around immigration.

Someone mentioned anger and racism, and the amount of immigrants coming here from India is probably playing a piece in the anger.

It was said earlier, we have a housing crisis, our health care system is crumbling and we keep bringing people into the country when at the moment we clearly cannot absorb this many people.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Someone mentioned anger and racism, and the amount of immigrants coming here from India is probably playing a piece in the anger.

It was said earlier, we have a housing crisis, our health care system is crumbling and we keep bringing people into the country when at the moment we clearly cannot absorb this many people.

It’s unfair and illogical to put all of that on this man. And, ironically, his deportation only further erodes our healthcare system, as we lose a qualified nurse (and Canadian citizen) to another country.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s unfair and illogical to put all of that on this man. And, ironically, his deportation only further erodes our healthcare system, as we lose a qualified nurse (and Canadian citizen) to another country.

Yeah all I was saying is the problem is just adding to people's anger and racism. Not saying its right.

I don't think it is fair either, and see no reason why he should be deported.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

These aren't well thought out ideas, so apologies if they ramble.

But frankly we will never know what is to be gained is he was allowed to stay?

I don't know this fella, but from all accounts I have read he appeared to be an honest individual that made a horrendous error. He acknowledged his mistake (& again it was ####ing horrible) and took his punishment. This seems like the sort of individual we would like to have as part of our country.

I'd like to think I emigrated (well my parents brought me at 5) to a country of compassion & empathy. Deportation of this fella flies in the face of the type of country I want Canada to be.

The whole thing is ####ing tragic.

These are all fair points, and the entire situation is awful. The fact that most people think this way should already be a sign that we all have compassion and empathy. I haven’t seen anyone knocking this guys character at all, but also like you I’ve never met the guy and probably never will. Every article I’ve read however does describe a remorseful and caring man with a Canadian wife and child (who I read was quite ill, unfortunately).

Ultimately whatever decision the courts make won’t have a huge impact on Canada, the benefit of deporting him would be appeasing and fulfilling the wishes of some of the victims families.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7213657
"We can't begin to heal, as long as we keep seeing [Sidhu's] face everywhere in the media and hearing the different opinions from people who have no skin in the game. This should be about the victims and their families."

I do think he will be given his PR status back and allowed to stay in Canada. For whatever my opinion on this subject is worth, I’m ok with him staying based on his actions since the accident. I personally would side with the victims that want him deported so they can begin healing too.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Someone mentioned anger and racism, and the amount of immigrants coming here from India is probably playing a piece in the anger.

It was said earlier, we have a housing crisis, our health care system is crumbling and we keep bringing people into the country when at the moment we clearly cannot absorb this many people.

This is a false conclusion. Every study I know of says immigrants improve the economy.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This is a false conclusion. Every study I know of says immigrants improve the economy.

Yeah well most people who are angry are not like you. They usually are screaming F Turdeau, and decals on their trucks. These are not the type of people I would expect to look at any study.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yeah well most people who are angry are not like you. They usually are screaming F Turdeau, and decals on their trucks. These are not the type of people I would expect to look at any study.

That’s not how your post read. HYou said people are angry sure, but then you posted a conclusion.

As to this point, I don’t care what idiots get angry about.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yeah well most people who are angry are not like you. They usually are screaming F Turdeau, and decals on their trucks. These are not the type of people I would expect to look at any study.

Those are the type of people who are likely a drag on the economy and generally have their hands out.

Immigrants tend to be more highly educated and motivated. Perhaps the people complaining don't like the competition?

More people means that the cost of education, health and welfare etc. gets spread out to a larger base, which is good for all of us. The cost per person actually decreases.

More housing needs etc. helps with creating jobs. Which increases an expanded tax base.

[PepsiFree]

If appeasing and fulfilling the wishes of some of the victims families is a benefit, unfortunately neither decision does that:

Reminders of his son are everywhere. His jersey number, 9, has been retired and has a place of honour in the Rodd Hamm Arena. Thomas's team, the Saskatoon U18 AAA Blazers, have stickers with Evan's initials on their helmets. "I think we're a long way from healing," Thomas said, rubbing his arm, his eyes welling with tears. But as part of their healing journey, Thomas and his wife, Laurie, met with Sidhu during the court hearing in 2019 to tell him they forgive him.

"I think empathy and compassion go a long way," Thomas said. And while that's not always easy, he believes it's what Evan would want them to do. It's why the family has also written a letter to the CBSA, supporting Sidhu's bid to stay in Canada.

"There were a lot of extenuating circumstances in this case. And yeah, Mr. Sidhu was ultimately responsible for how he operated in that vehicle, but there were so many other factors that went into that. His clearly inadequate training that allowed him to get behind the wheel of that vehicle, his lack of experience, he'd never been in that part of the world before — he basically was thrown to the wolves that day," Thomas said.

"While the result of his actions were violent and criminal, this wasn't by nature a violent crime. He didn't set out with the intent to cause harm. It was just a horrible, tragic accident. And it's our opinion that deportation doesn't need to be the necessary end to this."

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/long...t-singh-sidhu/

Every family has a right to feel how they’re feeling. But it’s worth acknowledging that either decision is going against someone’s wishes. And as demonstrated above, deportation does not need to be the barrier or enabler for healing.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I still lay more blame at the feet of the company he drove for than the driver himself.

Didn’t they only end up with like a $5000 fine or something like that?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

These are all fair points, and the entire situation is awful. The fact that most people think this way should already be a sign that we all have compassion and empathy. I haven’t seen anyone knocking this guys character at all, but also like you I’ve never met the guy and probably never will. Every article I’ve read however does describe a remorseful and caring man with a Canadian wife and child (who I read was quite ill, unfortunately).

Ultimately whatever decision the courts make won’t have a huge impact on Canada, the benefit of deporting him would be appeasing and fulfilling the wishes of some of the victims families.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7213657
"We can't begin to heal, as long as we keep seeing [Sidhu's] face everywhere in the media and hearing the different opinions from people who have no skin in the game. This should be about the victims and their families."

I do think he will be given his PR status back and allowed to stay in Canada. For whatever my opinion on this subject is worth, I’m ok with him staying based on his actions since the accident. I personally would side with the victims that want him deported so they can begin healing too.

There are victims that seem to have forgiven him, although I don't know their position on his deportation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaDEKfk62-w&t=9s

https://globalnews.ca/news/4435903/m...0forgive%20you.

I will say that sometimes the people with "no skin in the game" have the clearest vision, as it isn't tainted by the events.