Israel declares war on Hamas

[Azure]

Not sure what your point is. The response is specific to that incident that the media misrepresented. Its a fair argument to say that the attack is too risky and serves zero purpose, but the narrative that Israel dropped JDMs, which is what the media was saying is simply not true.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Should be titled 'Hamas declares war on Israel' because that is what happened.

Maybe Hamas can surrender and give up the hostages, and the war will be over.

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

That's outrageous, Israel started all of this by allowing Hamas to butcher and rape 1200 women and children!

Everyone knows Hamas is not to blame for anything here. If I say "genocide" about 20 times will it make me sound smart?

But seriously, we don't talk about the hostages here, it bring down the mood.

How is it you guys have amnesia about everything that preceded October 7 lol?

Originally Posted by Sliver

Do you know if Israel was violent at all toward Palestinians prior to October 7? Like, do you know if Israel killed more Palestinians in every single year than the other way around?

Oh hai, I found some info on that (citation):
2008 - 2024 - 6,847 Palestinian fatalities at the hands of Israel (data on casualties in the Gaza Strip are not added post October 7, 2023 until these incidents have been independently verified).

2008 - 2024 - 321 Israeli fatalities at the hands of Palestinians.

That Israel is pretty scrappy for a peaceful nation, guy.

Maybe the injuries will tell a different story...oh wait, nope! Turns out the peace-loving IDF likes inflicting injuries on Palestinians, too:

2008 - 2024 - 158,123 Palestinian injuries at the hands of Israel (data on injuries in the Gaza Strip are not added post October 7, 2023 until these incidents have been independently verified).

2008 - 2024 - 6,449 Israeli injuries at the hands of Palestinians.

I assume this will change nothing about how you view the situation lol.

Also, we'll talk about hostages all day long. Hamas should release the innocent civilian hostages. They never should have taken them. It was - and continues to be - a terrifying and abhorrent crime.

Israel should release innocent Palestinian hostages as well (I believe you just call them prisoners since you don't like the term hostages when applied to Palestinians).

Why would you think that's a difficult point to concede haha? Nobody is suggesting Hamas should hang on to Israeli hostages. That's absurd.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sliver

How is it you guys have amnesia about everything that preceded October 7 lol?



Also, we'll talk about hostages all day long. Hamas should release the innocent civilian hostages. They never should have taken them. It was - and continues to be - a terrifying and abhorrent crime.

Israel should release innocent Palestinian hostages as well (I believe you just call them prisoners since you don't like the term hostages when applied to Palestinians).

Why would you think that's a difficult point to concede haha? Nobody is suggesting Hamas should hang on to Israeli hostages. That's absurd.

If they called them prisoners, they'd have to give them some sort of due process, so instead they call them "administrative detentions".

So administrative detention is a form of detention whereby individuals are detained by the state without any intent to prosecute them in a trial, and they're held on the basis of secret security information that the detainee and their lawyer cannot review. Israel has been using this form of detention since its occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip - so back to 1967.

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/01/12166...tention-policy

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If they called them prisoners, they'd have to give them some sort of due process, so instead they call them "administrative detentions".

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/01/12166...tention-policy

JFC, what complete a-holes. Imagine supporting that insanity. You'd have to be a POS yourself.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Do you know if Israel was violent at all toward Palestinians prior to October 7? Like, do you know if Israel killed more Palestinians in every single year than the other way around?

Oh hai, I found some info on that (citation):
2008 - 2024 - 6,847 Palestinian fatalities at the hands of Israel (data on casualties in the Gaza Strip are not added post October 7, 2023 until these incidents have been independently verified).

2008 - 2024 - 321 Israeli fatalities at the hands of Palestinians.

That Israel is pretty scrappy for a peaceful nation, guy.

Maybe the injuries will tell a different story...oh wait, nope! Turns out the peace-loving IDF likes inflicting injuries on Palestinians, too:

2008 - 2024 - 158,123 Palestinian injuries at the hands of Israel (data on injuries in the Gaza Strip are not added post October 7, 2023 until these incidents have been independently verified).

2008 - 2024 - 6,449 Israeli injuries at the hands of Palestinians.

I assume this will change nothing about how you view the situation lol.

What a pile of garbage stats you have found. These injury stats and fatalities mean what exactly? I get it, you're angry that more israelis aren't dead, in your mind a country can't defend itself unless defenders have been killed equal to the number of aggressors. You are a true internet tactician.


Like none of these stats mean anything without context, are these from attacks on the defensive wall? Are they from Hamas launching missiles into civilian locations or maybe suicide attacks?


You look at it like "One israeli died so they can only kill one palestinian to prevent that happening again." Why would your garbage stats change anyones mind?

Originally Posted by Sliver

How is it you guys have amnesia about everything that preceded October 7 lol?



Also, we'll talk about hostages all day long. Hamas should release the innocent civilian hostages. They never should have taken them. It was - and continues to be - a terrifying and abhorrent crime.

Israel should release innocent Palestinian hostages as well (I believe you just call them prisoners since you don't like the term hostages when applied to Palestinians).

Why would you think that's a difficult point to concede haha? Nobody is suggesting Hamas should hang on to Israeli hostages. That's absurd.

Oh you want to talk about things previous to Oct 7th? The day that ended the period where Israel gave Palestine almost 20 years to rule over Gaza without ocupation?


Heres a list of Palestinian Suicide attacks, you'll notice they kinda tapered off after the wall was built.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...uicide_attacks


What do you have to say about those? If you want to go back even further we can do that too but it only gets worse for your argument. The fact of the matter is Palestine has been forcing this conflict to continue, Israel has always wanted peace and Palestine is the one who refused every offer of statehood picking war instead.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

What a pile of garbage stats you have found. These injury stats and fatalities mean what exactly? I get it, you're angry that more Jews aren't dead…

It’s funny when something so stupid is said in the first three sentences of a long post that you know you can just ignore the rest of it.

Let us know if this stuff ever works on anyone, because my guess is that it’s a little too dumb for anyone to believe (aside from Nage, I guess, but we’re talking an extremely low bar here).

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

I get it, you're angry that more Jews aren't dead…

I'm not suggesting the mods are doing anything offside and I continue to appreciate the leeway we all have in this thread to discuss such a contentious topic.

What are the thoughts from community members on statements like this, though? Like, here I am stuck with an accusation that blatantly states I'm angry more Jewish people aren't dead.

Am I out of my mind to think that's absolute insanity? Like one of the worst things you could say to a person. It's just so vile.

I haven't reported the post because that's not really my style and I don't want to burden the mods. I would like to fire back with a whole bunch of insults at the guy to kind of defend myself, but I've been banned here and it sucked. I really like CP as a fun way to socialize, hang out, learn and discuss, but I do find the people in this thread to be pushing the boundaries of sanity and it does leave you sort of defenseless unless you want to risk your own punishment.

Guess I'm just looking for a reality check here: is what this guy said absolutely batsht and am I right in having my jaw on the floor at being accused of such an atrocious thing?

[Skootenbeeten]

Oh I edited that because I forgot that 25% of Israel is Arab, I know you guys like to claim apartheid and that doesn't really line up with that very well.


Go ahead ignore the rest, it's much easier to ignore things you can't argue with.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I'm not suggesting the mods are doing anything offside and I continue to appreciate the leeway we all have in this thread to discuss such a contentious topic.

What are the thoughts from community members on statements like this, though? Like, here I am stuck with an accusation that blatantly states I'm angry more Jewish people aren't dead.

Am I out of my mind to think that's absolute insanity? Like one of the worst things you could say to a person. It's just so vile.

I haven't reported the post because that's not really my style and I don't want to burden the mods. I would like to fire back with a whole bunch of insults at the guy to kind of defend myself, but I've been banned here and it sucked. I really like CP as a fun way to socialize, hang out, learn and discuss, but I do find the people in this thread to be pushing the boundaries of sanity and it does leave you sort of defenseless unless you want to risk your own punishment.

Guess I'm just looking for a reality check here: is what this guy said absolutely batsht and am I right in having my jaw on the floor at being accused of such an atrocious thing?

And off to the mods he goes, yup thats the typical response that side has. You guys really have no position, you run into something you can't debate and you go crying to mommy and daddy xD


They cry about that while accusing people of "enabling genocide" ALL THE TIME which is completely acceptable? You are literally cry bullies


You're the one who put up the numbers, youre saying that its unfair that the numbers aren't even so it's not fair. If more Israelis were dead this would be a "fair" conflict. Don't cry to someone else when your the one setting the ground rules.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

And off to the mods he goes, yup thats the typical response that side has. You guys really have no position, you run into something you can't debate and you go crying to mommy and daddy xD

They cry about that while accusing people of "enabling genocide" ALL THE TIME which is completely acceptable? You are literally cry bullies

You're the one who put up the numbers, youre saying that its unfair that the numbers aren't even so it's not fair. If more Israelis were dead this would be a "fair" conflict. Don't cry to someone else when your the one setting the ground rules.

That's right. I put up the numbers and cited sources. It was to illustrate how Israel his inflicted an enormous amount of damage on Palestinians prior to October 7 in counter to your contention this started on October 7.

I also said Hamas should release the Israeli hostages after you said nobody wants to talk about that.

So after I addressed your points, your response was that I want more Jews dead.

Guy...you are a mother fking psycho moron.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I'm not suggesting the mods are doing anything offside and I continue to appreciate the leeway we all have in this thread to discuss such a contentious topic.

What are the thoughts from community members on statements like this, though? Like, here I am stuck with an accusation that blatantly states I'm angry more Jewish people aren't dead.

Am I out of my mind to think that's absolute insanity? Like one of the worst things you could say to a person. It's just so vile.

I haven't reported the post because that's not really my style and I don't want to burden the mods. I would like to fire back with a whole bunch of insults at the guy to kind of defend myself, but I've been banned here and it sucked. I really like CP as a fun way to socialize, hang out, learn and discuss, but I do find the people in this thread to be pushing the boundaries of sanity and it does leave you sort of defenseless unless you want to risk your own punishment.

Guess I'm just looking for a reality check here: is what this guy said absolutely batsht and am I right in having my jaw on the floor at being accused of such an atrocious thing?

This whole thread is dumb, and basically a microcosm of the conflict over there. I kind of regret entering this in the first place since I get notified whenever it is bumped.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Sliver

That's right. I put up the numbers and cited sources. It was to illustrate how Israel his inflicted an enormous amount of damage on Palestinians prior to October 7 in counter to your contention this started on October 7.

I also said Hamas should release the Israeli hostages after you said nobody wants to talk about that.

So after I addressed your points, your response was that I want more Jews dead.

Guy...you are a mother fking psycho moron.

I’m starting to understand why we did so much “reading comprehension” in school…

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

And off to the mods he goes, yup thats the typical response that side has. You guys really have no position, you run into something you can't debate and you go crying to mommy and daddy xD


They cry about that while accusing people of "enabling genocide" ALL THE TIME which is completely acceptable? You are literally cry bullies


You're the one who put up the numbers, youre saying that its unfair that the numbers aren't even so it's not fair. If more Israelis were dead this would be a "fair" conflict. Don't cry to someone else when your the one setting the ground rules.

Simply put, Sliver said none of those things. You've invented those statements. Sliver posted those statistics without comment, other than these two:

That Israel is pretty scrappy for a peaceful nation, guy.

... Turns out the peace-loving IDF likes inflicting injuries on Palestinians, too:

Now, there was an (obvious to everyone but you) point to Silver's post: in his opinion, the violence of Israel's response to the (real) threat posed by Hamas has not been proportional to the scale of the threat (for decades now). (Silver, please correct me if I'm wrong).

I repeat: you invented everything else.

[Fuzz]

You can spot the evil people as the ones blowing off deaths and without reason or justification, claim everyone else is determined to take joy in the deaths of people on their side.


What they can't see is that we are all humans, and they are the ones cheering to murder humans, and justify it in the end.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Sliver

That's right. I put up the numbers and cited sources. It was to illustrate how Israel his inflicted an enormous amount of damage on Palestinians prior to October 7 in counter to your contention this started on October 7.

I also said Hamas should release the Israeli hostages after you said nobody wants to talk about that.

So after I addressed your points, your response was that I want more Jews dead.

Guy...you are a mother fking psycho moron.

You're the one unhappy more people aren't dead, you're saying its unfair with your nonsense numbers that mean nothing, then you run off crying to the mods. You say Israel inflicted damage on Palestine and act like this isn't entirely started by Palestine attacking Israel. You also ignore all the suicide attacks from palestine, I guess that doesnt fit your narrative.



Now personal attacks, how do the mods deal with personal insults?

[Regorium]

I mean Bagor and co have accused the other side of loving genocide, loving seeing dead babies, "POS'es" and all sorts of fun names and phrases.

I don't think what was said to you was particularly bad in the context of this thread. It's about the same as what you and some folks say about Naga Waza, Azure and others.

I just hope the mods keep the cesspool contained in here.

Example: See post 7047 for Nage Waza being directly named as a "Genocidal madman"

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

You're the one unhappy more people aren't dead, you're saying its unfair with your nonsense numbers that mean nothing, then you run off crying to the mods. You say Israel inflicted damage on Palestine and act like this isn't entirely started by Palestine attacking Israel. You also ignore all the suicide attacks from palestine, I guess that doesnt fit your narrative.


Now personal attacks, how do the mods deal with personal insults?

You can't just make things up about people and claim they said it. That's not how this works.

[TheIronMaiden]

You would need a very bleak world view to take the statement "I am sad that so many Palestinians are dead" to mean " I wish more Jews were dead".

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

You're the one unhappy more people aren't dead, you're saying its unfair with your nonsense numbers that mean nothing, then you run off crying to the mods. You say Israel inflicted damage on Palestine and act like this isn't entirely started by Palestine attacking Israel. You also ignore all the suicide attacks from palestine, I guess that doesnt fit your narrative.

Now personal attacks, how do the mods deal with personal insults?

Question: Do you have a brain in your head?

I want fewer people to die. I don't want Hamas killing or harming Israelis and I don't want Israel killing or harming Palestinians.

I wanted those responsible for October 7 held to account. I am/was okay with Israel hunting down those responsible for the attacks and those responsible for funding the attacks wherever they may be cowering on planet earth.

It would be absolutely impossible for you to find a single thing I said anywhere in this thread, on this site, in my phone or in my brain that would support your contention that I want more people dead.

You are a lying liar.

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