WCF: Dallas Stars [CEN1] vs Edmonton Oilers [PAC2] - Edmonton wins 4-2

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

These guys don't use their heads.
Already, without Leon's pay bump, they're spending 68% of the cap ($56.75 million) on 35% of the roster (8 players, including Campbell, who isn't actually playing). None of those players will be UFA after next season either.
Even if both stay, how are they going to ice a competitive roster after paying ~26 million for 2 players??

They need to win this year or next year. After that, the team will need to be dismantled.

Why would they stay too?

Oilers have 0 prospects coming, nothing to be excited about.

The core of players signed for 3+ years are:

(Age during next season)
Hyman - 32
Nuge - 31
Nurse - 30
Campbell - 33 (AHL)

Kane and Ekholm are 33 and 34 as well. This team is old, and they have a terrible cap situation and no prospects and are short picks.

Leon has 102 points in 64 career playoff games. He's scoring at 130-point pace is the playoffs and has 1 career win in the 3rd round of the playoffs. Other than Mcdavid who is not wrapped up, why does he want to stay with this team? If I'm Draisaitl, I'm not signing until they can sign McDavid, do the Oilers wait to sign both together and risk Leon walking?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Buff

They didn't get the puck out of the zone and Ceci got caught past the hashmarks. Draisaitl moved to cover Hintz in front and Nurse dropped to his knees, I'm not sure if he lost a contact or was trying to prevent Robertson from passing to the guy that Draisaitl had covered.

From there Skinner sat loose to the post and watched Robertson walk in and bank it in.

Yes Skinner made big saves but he lets in weak ones, and not just tonight, he does it all year long and it costs the team a lead or a chance to win. That is not how a good goalie performs. He's a backup, not a starter you hope can take you to a championship.

Thanks. I see it a bit differently.

What I saw was that obviously things broke down and Robertson ended up alone in tight.

He fakes, Skinner honours that, then Robertson continues behind the net. Skinner pushes to the post. He ends up skate blade on the post, rather than the crook between the toe and the pad. That’s a trade off in options for how you seal in RVH. If Robertson continues around the net, he’s in better position to push off. Robertson then looks like he may try to bank it so Skinner pushes his blocker down and forward. Robertson hangs on a fraction of a second longer, gets just past the blocker and jams it, it goes off the skate, then Skinner’s backside. That blocker push I think is what he and his goalie coach would look at again.

Skinner also mentioned considering whether he would use overlap (where your pad is actually outside the post), but that’s another choice. Usually it applies for a bad angle shot, then goalies go in to RVH when the player becomes a threat below the goal line. I think if Robertson continues around, overlap puts him in a much worse position to push across

When the puck is in tight, sometimes it is good to have your hands low and forward, it actually can take away a lot of net. But Robertson got around it. It was only available for a split second and that’s when he found the hole. Skinner mentioned being less aggressive. I think that’s most likely where they land, keeping that blocker to seal up the gap rather than pushing towards the puck.

You also have less gap when you seal with the edge of the pad (toe just inside the post), but it’s also probably tough to be that precise 100 percent of the time when pushing from a save position to which you’ve just committed.

Long story short, there’s a lot of things that happen in a very short amount of time.

Robertson himself said a couple of interesting things. One thing was that it was something he’d try because he had scored a couple already, implying that gave him the confidence. A second interesting point is that he said goalies are so good and he works with Oettinger and their goalie coach to find ways to score.

Skinner himself said the goal looked bad. Everybody knows it wasn’t good, but often the goalie does these same things, and it ends up being enough.

The thing that really impressed me with Skinner in his post game scrum was how he addressed it. Some reporter asked him if he should seal the post with the blade. Skinner didn’t really bite. I think a guy like this is looking to elicit a reaction and get clicks.


So in short, lots of things happened, Skinner made some decisions (every decision you make has its benefits and exposures) but he sure didn’t just sit there like a lump and let him bank it off his ass

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Locke

Connor McDavid...super Captain Extraordinaire! He's doing it all!

1 Goal!

1 Assist!

Still -1.

May the McMinus live!

Robertson 1st goal was a rocket, Skinner had no chance, but McDavid was right beside him and did nothing.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Edmonton = NG

And I even show up after Oiler losses.

Dallas in 5.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Thanks. I see it a bit differently.

What I saw was that obviously things broke down and Robertson ended up alone in tight.

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So in short, lots of things happened, Skinner made some decisions (every decision you make has its benefits and exposures) but he sure didn’t just sit there like a lump and let him bank it off his ass

I agree with a lot of your post and it's nice to see a breakdown of goals from a goalie's perspective.

However, I do think he messed up on the post seal and went to the skate instead of the toe/pad. That's why he attacked with the blocker to compensate. Like you said, it happens.

Also, to your point... yeah, leaving a 40+ goal scorer alone in tight is usually going to result in having a bad time. Basically, a comedy of errors from tip to tail on that goal.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

I agree with a lot of your post and it's nice to see a breakdown of goals from a goalie's perspective.

However, I do think he messed up on the post seal and went to the skate instead of the toe/pad. That's why he attacked with the blocker to compensate. Like you said, it happens.

Also, to your point... yeah, leaving a 40+ goal scorer alone in tight is usually going to result in having a bad time. Basically, a comedy of errors from tip to tail on that goal.

I agree. Can’t say for sure if he was trying to seal with the pad and just missed, or if he just wanted to get to the post. However he ended up there, that was the situation he had to work with (skate blade on post), and he’s then got to make the right decision with his blocker given the context, and that was the one he’d reconsider, with the benefit of hindsight. He did mention being less aggressive.

[GioforPM]

Hrudey didn't like Skinner on that goal and he usually is a goalie apologist.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

These guys don't use their heads.
Already, without Leon's pay bump, they're spending 68% of the cap ($56.75 million) on 35% of the roster (8 players, including Campbell, who isn't actually playing). None of those players will be UFA after next season either.
Even if both stay, how are they going to ice a competitive roster after paying ~26 million for 2 players??

They need to win this year or next year. After that, the team will need to be dismantled.

I think even the McDavid and Draisaitl know they have effectively played their window with one hand tied behind their backs due to salary cap issues and bad contracts.

Between Campbell, Neal buyout, cap overage due to bonuses, they have effectively given themselves a 10M cap disadvantage for next year alone. They have limited picks and haven't developed much in the last 5 years so what is there is what they have to work with. Draisaitl will be 30 when he is on his new UFA contract. The rest of the roster is also on the wrong side of 30. I don't think you have to be a genius to figure out that what they have is what they are. Their runway is almost up.

If Draisaitl stays, it will be more about the money and less about winning. He will probably be talking to Conner this off season and have a inkling of what Conner will do. Which means we will get a whole season of media asking about the contract and Pissy responding like he does. The Oilers will probably complain to the NHL that to many media are asking about the contract.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hrudey didn't like Skinner on that goal and he usually is a goalie apologist.

Right. He said “poor post play”

I didn’t like that goal either - you do get that, right?

I like to look at what happened and why, and what could have been done differently

In this case, I think it’s the decision with the blocker

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

He said “poor post play”

Obviously Hrudey’s alliteration game needs some work.

Piss poor post play puts puck past putz has a much nicer ring to it.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Obviously Hrudey’s alliteration game needs some work.

Piss poor post play puts puck past putz has a much nicer ring to it.

I have to say, that's pretty impressive. Alliteration would be one thing but the entire phrase is made up of four letter words and actually makes sense.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's the other way around if either of them stay. McDavid is going to Toronto. Even if for some reason that doesn't work out he is still leaving, I am very very confident on that.

What percentage would you put on McDiver leaving? at least from what you're hearing

[d_phaneuf]

It was more fun them blowing another multi goal lead then if dallas just won by a 1 goal game

I wouldn't mind it again, rip their hearts out

[direwolf]

How funny is it that the Oilers pissed and moaned about not getting enough McPPs after game 2, which clearly worked judging by some of the ridiculous calls and non-calls in game 3. And yet they still lost, lol.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Why would they stay too?

Oilers have 0 prospects coming, nothing to be excited about.

The core of players signed for 3+ years are:

(Age during next season)
Hyman - 32
Nuge - 31
Nurse - 30
Campbell - 33 (AHL)

Kane and Ekholm are 33 and 34 as well. This team is old, and they have a terrible cap situation and no prospects and are short picks.

Leon has 102 points in 64 career playoff games. He's scoring at 130-point pace is the playoffs and has 1 career win in the 3rd round of the playoffs. Other than Mcdavid who is not wrapped up, why does he want to stay with this team? If I'm Draisaitl, I'm not signing until they can sign McDavid, do the Oilers wait to sign both together and risk Leon walking?

Wow, I had no idea that Nurse is 30! It just seems like he should be younger to me. And still five more years of that albatross of a contract...unbelievable!

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I agree. Can’t say for sure if he was trying to seal with the pad and just missed, or if he just wanted to get to the post. However he ended up there, that was the situation he had to work with (skate blade on post), and he’s then got to make the right decision with his blocker given the context, and that was the one he’d reconsider, with the benefit of hindsight. He did mention being less aggressive.

I actually thought his depth was fine... would be awesome if he sat even deeper in his net and go full Mike Smith LOL.

What I find with Skinner is that he lets in a lot of goals far side (either hand). Not sure why.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Slava

Wow, I had no idea that Nurse is 30! It just seems like he should be younger to me. And still five more years of that albatross of a contract...unbelievable!.....But ####ing awesome!!!!

just added a bit

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Right. He said “poor post play”

I didn’t like that goal either - you do get that, right?

I like to look at what happened and why, and what could have been done differently

In this case, I think it’s the decision with the blocker

That's the thing...it's not a great goal.

But they also gave a 40 goal scorer an absolute eternity to try to find a hole there to squeeze the puck in and bank it off of Skinner. And he did that.

It's not played perfectly by Skinner at all but those plays are also tough for the goalie, especially when the forward is under absolutely no pressure from a dman.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Slava

Wow, I had no idea that Nurse is 30! It just seems like he should be younger to me. And still five more years of that albatross of a contract...unbelievable!

If they lose this year, I believe it is the beginning of the end.

Mcdavid contract isn't as big a deal as Leon's. He's the one that makes $8.5 and likely gets $14 million. He's been putting up 120 a year, has more career points in the playoffs than McDavid does. 0 chance he takes a back seat this contract. He's also 29 next year, plays a ton of minutes and when his new contract kicks in he will be 30 and signed to 37/38

The last year of his team friendly deal, the Oilers have:

Neal - $1.916
Brown Bonus - $3.5
Campbell - $3.8 in the AHL or $1.1 for 1 year if they buy him out

This is $6 mil to $10 mil of wasted cap space that takes them right to when Leon needs a new contract. This team has no depth, no prospects and no cap to address the depth.

Campbell contract is not a great buyout situation either. Year 2 of the buyout is a $2.6 mil cap hit. $2.3 in year 3. Only year 1 is a big cap savings. Trading him when you have nothing to throw in is not an option either.

Go Stars Go! Finish these losers off so we can all start rip them and how this is the beginning of the end in Edmonton. Can't wait until it falls apart.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I have to say, that's pretty impressive. Alliteration would be one thing but the entire phrase is made up of four letter words and actually makes sense.

I have my moments