2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[traptor]

Markstrom + Andersson for Marner is fair value.

Is it the right fit for either team is a different question.

For the flames I would say no.

If we're going to trade those two guys we're better off going for furures.

[Samonadreau]

Why would the Flames trade for 1 year of Marner.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by traptor

Markstrom + Andersson for Marner is fair value.

Is it the right fit for either team is a different question.

For the flames I would say no.

If we're going to trade those two guys we're better off going for furures.

No it isn't. That is an overpayment on our end. Andersson had an off year playing a new system with a new head coach and a lot of change. He is still a top pairing D man. We would lose that trade.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Who is getting hosed in this deal? Interested is anyone thinks this value is somewhat close.

To Toronto: Andersson+Markstrom
To Anaheim: Marner+9th overall pick
To Calgary: Zegras+3rd overall pick.

Toronto adds a starting goalie and partner for Reilly signed super cheap. If they can add Stamkos in free agency they would be nicely retooled.

The Ducks try to pull themselves out of a rebuild by adding a legit star and trade back a few spots in the top 10. They move on for Zegras which has been rumored and it would be an understanding a long term extension is coming with Marner.

The Flames get aggressive to move up in the draft and take a shot on Zegras. Honestly I am not a huge fan of his but I was trying to find a realistic third trade partner because I don’t really want Marner on the flames. Perhaps Zegras is someone who work with Huberdeau? I do think Andersson and Markstrom are perfect fits for the Leafs. I think Marner would waive for Anaheim and the Leafs would want to send him west. I also could see Anaheim doing something to signal they are trying to get competitive.

There is one other problem with this trade, Marner is the polar opposite of the type of player I could see Verbeek wanting to have on his team. I could see him liking Reinhart though.

[FlamesAddiction]

The only reason to acquire Zegras would be to buy low and hopefully rebuild his value to trade again before that qualifying offer has to be made in 2026. As of right now, there is a good chance that he won't be worth the qualifying offer and if he is, he could just accept it and walk as free agent the following year at age 26. He isn't the player I would want to gamble on.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Why would the Flames trade for 1 year of Marner.

They wouldn’t but no matter, he’s unlikely to waive.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

From what I understand it was simply a translation issue. I have heard Sharangovich is very thankful for the opportunity the Flames have given him and is very open to an extension here.

This is awesome and good to hear that people close to/in the organization are confirming that he is open to extending and it was simply a language issue. Thanks for sharing!

[Aarongavey]

I would say as far as the Flames go, unless something changes for Conroy, he seems to be trying to find value guys, guys that may be buried in the lineup that he can pick up on the cheap. Did it with Yegor, did it with Kuzmenko and to a much lesser extent did it with Miromanov. I don’t know if he wants to go and spend a huge amount of assets on a more proven guy, he seems to be a buy low type of GM early on.

If the pro scouts think there is anything there I could see him trying to get Kotkaniemi on the cheap for maybe a 2nd and a 3rd or something. I would think a player like that would be more likely than a Zegras or a player that would require significant assets going out. Same draft year as Hayton but has played more NHL games and like Hayton has had one decent year in the league. Carolina has about 8 guys that are more important to sign than Kotkaniemi.

I personally would not mind it, they have the cap space for the next couple years and if he does not work out his 4.8 million in a 100 million + dollar cap world is like 3.5-4 million this year. If he even turns into a 40-50 point guy it is a good contract.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would say as far as the Flames go, unless something changes for Conroy, he seems to be trying to find value guys, guys that may be buried in the lineup that he can pick up on the cheap. Did it with Yegor, did it with Kuzmenko and to a much lesser extent did it with Miromanov. I don’t know if he wants to go and spend a huge amount of assets on a more proven guy, he seems to be a buy low type of GM early on.

If the pro scouts think there is anything there I could see him trying to get Kotkaniemi on the cheap for maybe a 2nd and a 3rd or something. I would think a player like that would be more likely than a Zegras or a player that would require significant assets going out. Same draft year as Hayton but has played more NHL games and like Hayton has had one decent year in the league. Carolina has about 8 guys that are more important to sign than Kotkaniemi.

I personally would not mind it, they have the cap space for the next couple years and if he does not work out his 4.8 million in a 100 million + dollar cap world is like 3.5-4 million this year. If he even turns into a 40-50 point guy it is a good contract.

One such value guy is Tomosino in NSH. He didn't get any playoff games this season. Jankowski pretty much took his spot. He's 22, shoots right, plays both sides, had 20P in 41GP. Has a career high of 32P in his first season in the NHL.

Holtz in NJ is also such a guy that doesn't get much icetime, but there's obviously more there.

Detroit might also have a D fall between the cracks in the next 2 years. They have: Seider(23), Edvinsson(21) with the club. However they will have Sandin-Pellikka(19), Wallinder(21), Buium(21), all fighting to play on a D-core with a lot of bodies.

[browntrout]

Why would Conroy be interested in trading the assets and then sign marner to around 12 million a year. They already have the same narrative in Huberdeau ( does not show up in the playoffs), this team would have absolutely no cap space left to sign there own young core players.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

One such value guy is Tomosino in NSH. He didn't get any playoff games this season. Jankowski pretty much took his spot. He's 22, shoots right, plays both sides, had 20P in 41GP. Has a career high of 32P in his first season in the NHL.

Holtz in NJ is also such a guy that doesn't get much icetime, but there's obviously more there.

Detroit might also have a D fall between the cracks in the next 2 years. They have: Seider(23), Edvinsson(21) with the club. However they will have Sandin-Pellikka(19), Wallinder(21), Buium(21), all fighting to play on a D-core with a lot of bodies.

These are the type of players we will see being targeted. We have extra picks, and these guys would be good adds if we could get them for a pick or 2.

Tomansino is a RFA and probably will want a 1-way deal and a raise. He could be a cheap addition

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Why would the Flames trade for 1 year of Marner.

"Just get in"

[dino7c]

Not saying Marner but the Flames need a star player who plays like a star...like 90+ point player. I know you guys want to suck for 5 or 6 years but it will be the death of the franchise. People need a reason to come watch, buy jerseys ect. Flames can't lose a generation of kids.

Before the "suck and draft one" crowd chimes in I know...and hopefully both things happen but IMO the Flames don't have that luxury to just be absolutely terrible like SJ.

Even in the worst of the worst days we had Theo, Iggy, ect. IF someone could get Marner at a value price it could be smart, I never buy the can't play in the playoffs crap...it also takes offence to get there. My guess is Marner is on a deep run with a US team within a couple years...Leaf fans Pokemon face.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not saying Marner but the Flames need a star player who plays like a star...like 90+ point player. I know you guys want to suck for 5 or 6 years but it will be the death of the franchise. People need a reason to come watch, buy jerseys ect. Flames can't lose a generation of kids.

Before the "suck and draft one" crowd chimes in I know...and hopefully both things happen but IMO the Flames don't have that luxury to just be absolutely terrible like SJ.

Even in the worst of the worst days we had Theo, Iggy, ect. IF someone could get Marner at a value price it could be smart, I never buy the can't play in the playoffs crap...it also takes offence to get there. My guess is Marner is on a deep run with a US team within a couple years...Leaf fans Pokemon face.

Top 3 picks are more exciting than random veteran 90 point wingers.
Demidov would probably sell more tickets than Sam Reinhart.

Any at this point, anything is more interesting to fans than mediocrity.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The team is in no position to trade for a Marner or Zegras.

We need to make picks, and accumulate as many prospects as we can. We don't even have the core of our team built yet.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not saying Marner but the Flames need a star player who plays like a star...like 90+ point player. I know you guys want to suck for 5 or 6 years but it will be the death of the franchise. People need a reason to come watch, buy jerseys ect. Flames can't lose a generation of kids.

Before the "suck and draft one" crowd chimes in I know...and hopefully both things happen but IMO the Flames don't have that luxury to just be absolutely terrible like SJ.

Even in the worst of the worst days we had Theo, Iggy, ect. IF someone could get Marner at a value price it could be smart, I never buy the can't play in the playoffs crap...it also takes offence to get there. My guess is Marner is on a deep run with a US team within a couple years...Leaf fans Pokemon face.

Marner is probably too old for the type gamebreaker/star they'd look to acquire though.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not saying Marner but the Flames need a star player who plays like a star...like 90+ point player. I know you guys want to suck for 5 or 6 years but it will be the death of the franchise. People need a reason to come watch, buy jerseys ect. Flames can't lose a generation of kids.

Before the "suck and draft one" crowd chimes in I know...and hopefully both things happen but IMO the Flames don't have that luxury to just be absolutely terrible like SJ.

Even in the worst of the worst days we had Theo, Iggy, ect. IF someone could get Marner at a value price it could be smart, I never buy the can't play in the playoffs crap...it also takes offence to get there. My guess is Marner is on a deep run with a US team within a couple years...Leaf fans Pokemon face.

It's interesting, but you got a point; I think a ton of the new kids are Oilers fans based on the McDavid factor. Flames need a superstar to come through before the building is ready to open.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not saying Marner but the Flames need a star player who plays like a star...like 90+ point player. I know you guys want to suck for 5 or 6 years but it will be the death of the franchise. People need a reason to come watch, buy jerseys ect. Flames can't lose a generation of kids.

Before the "suck and draft one" crowd chimes in I know...and hopefully both things happen but IMO the Flames don't have that luxury to just be absolutely terrible like SJ.

Even in the worst of the worst days we had Theo, Iggy, ect. IF someone could get Marner at a value price it could be smart, I never buy the can't play in the playoffs crap...it also takes offence to get there. My guess is Marner is on a deep run with a US team within a couple years...Leaf fans Pokemon face.

Chicago is awful but their attendance went up. All it takes is one young star to get people to come. Sure, Marner would be nice to have but will he resign when we get him and for how much.

We might take a hit in attendance for 1 more year. Draft a star, the team might not rise in the standings but the attendance will.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not saying Marner but the Flames need a star player who plays like a star...like 90+ point player. I know you guys want to suck for 5 or 6 years but it will be the death of the franchise. People need a reason to come watch, buy jerseys ect. Flames can't lose a generation of kids.

Before the "suck and draft one" crowd chimes in I know...and hopefully both things happen but IMO the Flames don't have that luxury to just be absolutely terrible like SJ.

Even in the worst of the worst days we had Theo, Iggy, ect. IF someone could get Marner at a value price it could be smart, I never buy the can't play in the playoffs crap...it also takes offence to get there. My guess is Marner is on a deep run with a US team within a couple years...Leaf fans Pokemon face.

I don’t think you have to worry about a SJ style rebuild unless the Flames force themselves down that path by making terrible short sighted decisions which I do not see happening under Conroy at least in the short term future.

The Flames tried and failed miserably to replace their former stars by adding stars from other teams. While Kadri has been full marks for his first 2 years here he is more of a complimentary piece than a star and we don’t need to talk about Huberdeau.

This team does need to draft its next star and trading for a 27 year old who needs an 8 year deal with a raise on his current $11M cap hit is not the way to add a star.

Sucking for 5-6 years when a new building is guaranteed is not a death blow to the franchise. Another couple decades of mediocrity is just as dangerous.

I am okay with the team chasing Hamilton like deals to add long term prices who will impact the team immediately but they need to draft and grow some of their own stars first. Conroy did imply if a teams has a strong young asset available for trade under 23 those were the types of deals he wanted to make.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How do you expect us to get the next stars? The last batch came from the draft, the prior star was recently drafted and traded for.

It's really the only way, otherwise you get stuck with teams like the last 2 years or the wasted Iginla years trying to trade and sign your way to the playoffs.