2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Groot

Still isn't even close to a ton more success, or even more at all. Even with this season the Oil still have a worse record over 5 seasons, minus a singular playoff round win. So yes, I think a ton more success is total nonsense.

What are you talking about? They have 2 more series wins (Plus anything they do this season) not 1. They also beat us in the playoffs. They have also made the playoffs 2 more times.

They also have a better regular season record.

Last 5 seasons :

Oilers 216-117-31 93 pt average
Flames 184-137-43 82 pt average

(Not including the last 8 games this season obviously)

So where, in any stat possible, are the Flames better over the past 5 seasons?

An average of 10 pts worse per season, 2 less series wins, 2 less playoff appearances, and lost to them in the playoffs.

Yeah.... a ton more success is total nonsense....

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

What are you talking about? They have 2 more series wins (Plus anything they do this season) not 1. They also beat us in the playoffs. They have also made the playoffs 2 more times.

They also have a better regular season record.

Last 5 seasons :

Oilers 216-117-31 93 pt average
Flames 184-137-43 82 pt average

(Not including the last 8 games this season obviously)

So where, in any stat possible, are the Flames better over the past 5 seasons?

An average of 10 pts worse per season, 2 less series wins, 2 less playoff appearances, and lost to them in the playoffs.

Yeah.... a ton more success is total nonsense....

This season isn't over and since your basis is playoff success you can't use this one yet. You also said last 5 seasons, so I took the last 5 seasons, being 2018-2019 season through 2022-2023. And this year you're comparing a team clearly rebuilding vs a team that is Cup or Bust (it will clearly be bust), of course different success is expected this year.

It's total nonsense. Keep pumping up the Oilers though, it's a great look. A ton more success is total nonsense.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Please no to Stephenson. That would be a textbook Treliving move… overpaying for a veteran 29/30 year old who has just played well on a cup contender after multiple playoff runs and is taking his retirement contract that he likely never lives up to.

Yeah, I will burn my Huby jersey and find another team to cheer for if they hand out those sorts of contracts again after the last ten years of mostly crappy FA signings.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Groot

This season isn't over and since your basis is playoff success you can't use this one yet. You also said last 5 seasons, so I took the last 5 seasons, being 2018-2019 season through 2022-2023. And this year you're comparing a team clearly rebuilding vs a team that is Cup or Bust (it will clearly be bust), of course different success is expected this year.

It's total nonsense. Keep pumping up the Oilers though, it's a great look. A ton more success is total nonsense.

Calgary was not clearly rebuilding until their lack of success mandated it.

[GUnit]

Yah but e=ng so it's moot

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Please no to Stephenson. That would be a textbook Treliving move… overpaying for a veteran 29/30 year old who has just played well on a cup contender after multiple playoff runs and is taking his retirement contract that he likely never lives up to.

It’s not a fit here, but Stephenson isn’t just a one hit PO wonder. He’s a very solid player who would be a 1C on a fair number of teams.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by 420since1974

Conroy has 5 forwards that will be UFAs at the end of next season (Hunt (28), Kuzmenko (28), Mangiapane (27), Rooney (30), and Sharangovich (25)).
If Craig stays on his stated course of not letting anyone walk for free, I expect that he will trade all of them, though any decent return on Hunt and Rooney would be unlikely.
He might re-sign Sharangovich as he has shown he can play at C, but he will be 29 by the time the new arena opens.
The most that I would offer him would be 4 years at $5M and even that may be a little high.

Conroy is going to have another busy year next season! Poor guy is never getting any rest.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s not a fit here, but Stephenson isn’t just a one hit PO wonder. He’s a very solid player who would be a 1C on a fair number of teams.

I agree that he is a good player but I think any team that gives him 5+ years would likely regret it within the first couple years IMO. It’s just a very predictable outcome with players like him that have played a lot of playoff games over the last 4 years.

[saillias]

No insult intended towards those players but that really doesn't look too busy.

[BigJim]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Mangiapane is moved this offseason.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calgary was not clearly rebuilding until their lack of success mandated it.

Lack of success or multiple core pieces deciding they wanted to play somewhere else?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lack of success or multiple core pieces deciding they wanted to play somewhere else?

Other factors such as Huberdeau flopping, Markstrom having a career worst season last year, Sutter's bizarre season, etc. This season Huberdeau didn't improve, Mangiapane regressing, Lindholm falling off a cliff, UFA's not wanting to re-sign, etc.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lack of success or multiple core pieces deciding they wanted to play somewhere else?

Actually a bit of both.

But if Calgary was still close to a playoff spot, the Flames would be going straight ahead.

But it's their general lack of success (some attributed to good players wanting to leave) basically gave Calgary no choice in the matter.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by 868904

Flames have too much winger depth. All the top forward prospects are wingers too. They need to trade at least one of Kuzmenko or Mangiapane in the Summer in order to make room for Pelletier and Coronato.

Signing another winger makes no sense at all.

Agreed %100.

Originally Posted by 868904

Chandler Stephenson ( a centre) makes a lot of sense for the Flames.

I partially disagree. We could use a actual Center, that much is true. But Chandler Stephenson is the kind of guy you pick up at the end of a rebuild/retool/rewhatever... not at the beginning. Sign him and he'll he'll just end up an over-priced cap liability when it matters (because he'll want both money and term). Also if you're concerned about the winger glut signing a Center doesn't help that since it pushes Yegor to the wing (which is where I would say he belongs).

... I could see maybe getting a guy like Henrique. Older so won't command to much term... might have to pay him more then is wise thou since I'm sure he'd much rather chase a cup then sign here so the money would have to be enough to forgo that.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Other factors such as Huberdeau flopping, Markstrom having a career worst season last year, Sutter's bizarre season, etc. This season Huberdeau didn't improve, Mangiapane regressing, Lindholm falling off a cliff, UFA's not wanting to re-sign, etc.

Maybe because the season has gone the way of rebuild and fans harped on it enough already but it seems we have not been talking about the fact Huberdeau is almost certainly going to have a worse season this year compared to last. I saw some stuff on Twitter after the last game as Weegar has now tied him with 46pts but has 7 more goals.

The hard lesson the Flames learned was how impossible it is to lose 2 guys who finished in top 10 league scoring and to think they were still going to be a contender especially when you looked at the track record under Treliving where the team was never able to have year over year consistency. They got older guys and signed them to massive deals where the key piece in all of it has been a massive failure and is quite easily the worst contract in the league.

[Sylvanfan]

I'd like to know when a team who was winning and in a playoff spot pulled the plug and said, hey let's just rebuild. Every rebuild/retool is predicated by a team not playing well be it a bad roster, injuries to key players, or cores getting too old.

The Flames got a bit of a kick in the ass to go here because a couple of the better guys in Lindholm and Hanifin wouldn't take their money. They did move a few other good complementary guys for something. So hopefully that speeds things up a bit as they were more proactive than others have been in moving off veteran guys.

Don't get me wrong they still shat the bed as an organization with the Gaudreau/Tkachuck fallout and deserve the venom theu get for the mess that created with Huberdeau/Weegar/Kadri/Monahan to an extent. Although Kadri and Weegar sre both good useful players. But on the brightside, they have avoided running the ship full on into the iceberg. Hopefully they make some smart choices in the next couple of seasons to eventually get a better product on the ice that has some staying power.

[traptor]

I think its the wrong move but I won't be supprised one bit if they sign Stephenson and believe they can compete next season.
I fully expect Malloney and Bean to come out and say how much they believe in this group again.

They will look at Nashville and say we can do that too with Stephenson being the RoR signing.

The truth is we're never going to be competitive until we free ourselves from a 10.5 million anchor whose on pace for 12 goals/ 51 points and a team worst -29.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by traptor

I think its the wrong move but I won't be supprised one bit if they sign Stephenson and believe they can compete next season.
I fully expect Maloney and Bean to come out and say how much they believe in this group again.

They will look at Nashville and say we can do that too with Stephenson being the RoR signing.

The truth is we're never going to be competitive until we free ourselves from a 10.5 million anchor whose on pace for 12 goals/ 51 points and a team worst -29.

That is the very last thing a rebuilding should do, for the very reasons you indicate.

Stephenson won't help than make the playoffs, although he may lessen their draft pick.

And I expect Stephenson to go to the team that offers him the most term.

[TheScorpion]

Stephenson is a centre.

Centres *always* get overpaid in free agency. The Flames also have plenty of veteran centres already. I don't think it makes much sense at all.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Stephenson is a centre.

Centres *always* get overpaid in free agency. The Flames also have plenty of veteran centres already. I don't think it makes much sense at all.

Bundle a 1st with Kadri, and send him to Montreal! Flames can then sign Stephenson to be the veteran mentor!