[Rumour] Dreger: Markstrom trade won't happen unless NJ includes Mercer and higher draft pick

[musth]

So what of vladar to Philly now?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Vladar and an asset for Frost. Make it happen!

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

If the deal didn't go through even after retention was made optional, then the return wasn't deemed good enough.

If they accepted that Vegas package for Hanifin but walked away from whatever the last NJ offer was, then it must have been terrible.

Even sec confirmed that from his POV it was no good.

I trust Conroy's judgment.

Maybe the return was good enough but ownership prioritized keeping Markstrom for a shot at playoffs?

[saillias]

And the only reason a Vladar move hasn't happened already is in my view sunk cost fallacy. Because Treliving paid a 3rd for him and gave him a 2 year extension they feel handcuffed to shop him for equivalent value. it's not there. you're just prolonging the inevitable and pissing off Wolf, and now Markstrom is pissed off, and Vladar is anxious about being the odd man out. not good management of this situation at all IMO.

[CSharp]

Keep Vladar - Flames going to playoff!

[Lewis_D]

If ownership wanted to keep Markstrom for a shot at playoffs though then why would they allow Conroy to ship Hanifin to the team currently 6 pts in front of us in the standings for such an underwhelming return?

As of right now I'm of the belief we held out for a better return.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

If ownership wanted to keep Markstrom for a shot at playoffs though then why would they allow Conroy to ship Hanifin to the team currently 6 pts in front of us in the standings for such an underwhelming return?

As of right now I'm of the belief we held out for a better return.

Only makes sense to me!

Think they can do better in the summer vs what the Devil's are/were currently offering.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

If ownership wanted to keep Markstrom for a shot at playoffs though then why would they allow Conroy to ship Hanifin to the team currently 6 pts in front of us in the standings for such an underwhelming return?

As of right now I'm of the belief we held out for a better return.

And the entirety of our defensive glue: Tanev.

[SuperMatt18]

The only thing that gives me pause is the return was reportedly good enough for Conroy but maybe not upper management.

And really it depends:

Holtz + 2nd > not enough
Holtz + 1st > feels fair but a bit light if it's 50% retention
Mercer > good singular piece fair without retention but not sure 1:1 is fair with retention
Mercer + 2nd > feels fair depending on retention amount
Mercer + 1st > an overpay and probably what the Flames are looking for to move him now.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

If ownership wanted to keep Markstrom for a shot at playoffs though then why would they allow Conroy to ship Hanifin to the team currently 6 pts in front of us in the standings for such an underwhelming return?

As of right now I'm of the belief we held out for a better return.

Cause it’s the Flames!

The most valuable asset the Flames will have for the draft will be their own pick

A few loses could be the difference in 7 spots . Please go cold and don’t finish 17th!

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by saillias

And the only reason a Vladar move hasn't happened already is in my view sunk cost fallacy. Because Treliving paid a 3rd for him and gave him a 2 year extension they feel handcuffed to shop him for equivalent value. it's not there. you're just prolonging the inevitable and pissing off Wolf, and now Markstrom is pissed off, and Vladar is anxious about being the odd man out. not good management of this situation at all IMO.

I think that if the Flames are seriously thinking they can get a good return for Markstrom down the line, and that's a move they'd like to be able to make, is another reason Vladar trade hasn't happened.

Keeping Vladar gives them the flexibility to more easily trade Markstrom (although not that would be impossible to trade both). I think seeing no move on Vladar makes me feel like it could mean they want to keep the flexibility on moving Marky.

[Igottago]

I wanted the Markstrom deal so the Flames drop down the standings this season. But its also good to know the Flames have a GM that stands his ground on deals. You don't want the reputation of being the guy that moves guys for peanuts if you don't have to. Would have preferred a trade but if the deal wasn't good enough, I'm okay with the Flames waiting. Conroy's done a lot of good business this season. We'll see what happens in the summer.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Noodles made the point a while back now - there will be teams during this playoffs that lose because of bad goaltending, and they will end up joining the list of teams that want to improve in net.



Markstrom hasn't moved yet because the offers haven't been great.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Noodles made the point a while back now - there will be teams during this playoffs that lose because of bad goaltending, and they will end up joining the list of teams that want to improve in net.



Markstrom hasn't moved yet because the offers haven't been great.

This was us for years before landing Marky (I know I know Edmonton series). But NJ feels like they are in the Flames cycle we were in for YEARS before BT finally landed our legit number one. Revolving door of plan Bs for seasons before truly solving the problem.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Noodles made the point a while back now - there will be teams during this playoffs that lose because of bad goaltending, and they will end up joining the list of teams that want to improve in net.



Markstrom hasn't moved yet because the offers haven't been great.

Yup, I said the same thing a while back. Teams that miss and teams that exit too soon.

[SuperMatt18]

The risk is waiting is less that the market doesn't come to fruition, but more that Markstrom decides to limit his market with his NMC.

Teams looking for goaltending for sure: Ottawa, Buffalo, New Jersey, Los Angeles, Toronto

Teams that might want new goalies: Colorado, Detroit, Minnesota, Columbus, Carolina, Edmonton

So there potentially is a market there...but the risk is that in the offseason teams tend to sometimes go "We can get by with what we have" or Markstrom just decides that he doesn't want to waive.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Only makes sense to me!

Think they can do better in the summer vs what the Devil's are/were currently offering.

I don't know if they need to wait for the Summer...Colorado, Toronto both could use a goalie. Calum Ritchie is an interesting prospect in Colorado. I guess that Easton kid out of Toronto is okay too.

[PaperBagger'14]

Around the Devils Report (Markstrom / Allen Edition)


Devils trying the “what if we had four backup goalies and no starters” strategy

Gotta catch em all with the sub .900 goalies I guess

Gross we Already have 3 Jake Allen's

I think the plan is to play 4 below average goalies in net at the same time.

Somebody make a "Flex Seal" meme please

Overpaid for a BAD 33yr old goalie

Is Fitzgerald smoking crack? Now they have 4 goalies who suck.

*Slaps roof of Devils* This bad boy can fit so many mediocre goalies

[Sofa GM]

Unfortunately, I think Flames fans are going to look back at this day when we didn't deal Markstrom and its going to be full on palm to forehead.

So applauding Conroy for standing firm and not acquiring a level of quality assets that he will never ever get offered again for Markstrom? Not sure I share the same thought. Something bigger happened here and I think even Conroy is likely pissed off.

These types of situations are why the Flames will never be a true contender.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Unfortunately, I think Flames fans are going to look back at this day when we didn't deal Markstrom and its going to be full on palm to forehead.

So applauding Conroy for standing firm and not acquiring a level of quality assets that he will never ever get offered again for Markstrom? Not sure I share the same thought. Something bigger happened here and I think even Conroy is likely pissed off.

These types of situations are why the Flames will never be a true contender.

Never?