[Rumour] Dreger: Markstrom trade won't happen unless NJ includes Mercer and higher draft pick

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yegor is good. To this point Toffoli has been better. We'll have to see if Yegor provides more value over the next year (also walking him right to UFA with a 2 year contract lmao) than whatever NJD gets for Toffoli.

It's a tale as old as time of a player with a career high shooting % scoring at unsustainable marks that he won't reach again.

Heck you've got 2 more of them on your roster in Mangiapane and Kuzmenko, still waiting for Mangiapane to get back to shooting 19% and Kuzmenko to get back to a consistent 27% eh?

Oh lord the Coleman one is gonna be brutal too. 32 year old with a career shooting % of 10% suddenly starts potting 17%.

New Jersey is 100% a dump, how about that?

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

But Markstrom is sustaining that play in front of a gutted team. Are you not seeing the same player I am?

I can understand you preferring other goalies to Markstrom, given his age, but your present valuation of him is completely disconnected from reality. This is backed up by a hyper inflated sense of Toffoli’s value and that’s where I see your bias lies. Anyways no more feeding the troll for me, later Fitz

I have never denied how excellent Markstrom has been this year. The concerning things are his age, inconsistencies over the last 4 years, and contract. That 3rd year especially when he'll be 36 is a significant negative in my eyes.

Frankly the term at 6 mill adds minimal value to me. At 3 mill it does become quite interesting tho

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Beninho

New Jersey is 100% a dump, how about that?

I don't live in New Jersey

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yegor is good. To this point Toffoli has been better. We'll have to see if Yegor provides more value over the next year (also walking him right to UFA with a 2 year contract lmao) than whatever NJD gets for Toffoli.

It's a tale as old as time of a player with a career high shooting % scoring at unsustainable marks that he won't reach again.

Heck you've got 2 more of them on your roster in Mangiapane and Kuzmenko, still waiting for Mangiapane to get back to shooting 19% and Kuzmenko to get back to a consistent 27% eh?

Oh lord the Coleman one is gonna be brutal too. 32 year old with a career shooting % of 10% suddenly starts potting 17%.

Clearly you haven't dug into Sharangovich's career numbers if you
think he is on some insane heater. Maybe a couple percentage points high, but not close to what you seem to be trying to spin.

Also interesting that you seem to know the future and that he will be walked right to UFA and not re-signed or traded.

You are really grasping at straws here.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yegor is good. To this point Toffoli has been better. We'll have to see if Yegor provides more value over the next year (also walking him right to UFA with a 2 year contract lmao) than whatever NJD gets for Toffoli.

It's a tale as old as time of a player with a career high shooting % scoring at unsustainable marks that he won't reach again.

Heck you've got 2 more of them on your roster in Mangiapane and Kuzmenko, still waiting for Mangiapane to get back to shooting 19% and Kuzmenko to get back to a consistent 27% eh?

Oh lord the Coleman one is gonna be brutal too. 32 year old with a career shooting % of 10% suddenly starts potting 17%.

I think most of us expect about 40 points and good 200 foot play and mentorship. What Coleman is doing this year is just a bonus.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Chris Stewart was traded a year later with 2 mill retention for a 2nd (the value came from the retention).

If Ott was a cap dump then why did STL resign him for the exact same amount?


You can call Halak, Ott, Stewart a net 0 wash approximately, none were very meaningful assets.

But again, if you want late 1st+2nd round prospect+3rd for 1.25 mill retained Markstrom, be my guest.

And again, goalie values have only gone down as teams have gotten smarter

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Shooting percentages YOY

2020: 13.8%
2021: 14.3%
2022: 9.9%
2023: 17.8%



Goals above expected YOY
2020: 3.9
2021: 4.9
2022: -4.2
2023: 7.8

Looks more like NJ gave up on a talented scorer in a statistically unlucky year.

3.5% higher shooting percentage from 2023 to 2021 is a jump for sure, but it's not an insane heater like where we've seen guys shoot at 28%.

He's a talented goal scorer.

The concern is his expected goals at 5v5:

14 in 2021, 13.3 in 2022, 8 this year.

11.9% in 2021, 17.6% this year.

He is a good player. Strong middle 6er. I have never denied that. I am saying he isn't any better now. There seems to be this misconception that he's improved.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

No I meant NTCs as in players from other teams who have Calgary on their NTCs. Calgary ranks near the top of the league in that. NJD does not

You think Backlund has Calgary on his NTC list? Cause you listed him. It is alright to not know how many NTC’s and NMC’s are on Jersey. We all make mistakes, you have been making them throughout this thread.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yegor is good. To this point Toffoli has been better. We'll have to see if Yegor provides more value over the next year (also walking him right to UFA with a 2 year contract lmao) than whatever NJD gets for Toffoli.

It's a tale as old as time of a player with a career high shooting % scoring at unsustainable marks that he won't reach again.

Heck you've got 2 more of them on your roster in Mangiapane and Kuzmenko, still waiting for Mangiapane to get back to shooting 19% and Kuzmenko to get back to a consistent 27% eh?

Oh lord the Coleman one is gonna be brutal too. 32 year old with a career shooting % of 10% suddenly starts potting 17%.

He already scored this amount of goals in NJ, so I’m not sure where you’re coming from that it’s not a repeatable skill for someone at that age. If he fires 70 shots from the neutral zone to get his S% to a normal number would it make you feel better?

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Shooting percentages YOY

2020: 13.8%
2021: 14.3%
2022: 9.9%
2023: 17.8%



Goals above expected YOY
2020: 3.9
2021: 4.9
2022: -4.2
2023: 7.8

Looks more like NJ gave up on a talented scorer in a statistically unlucky year.

3.5% higher shooting percentage from 2023 to 2021 is a jump for sure, but it's not an insane heater like where we've seen guys shoot at 28%.

He's a talented goal scorer.

Now do that for Markstrom’s GSAE by year.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You think Backlund has Calgary on his NTC list? Cause you listed him. It is alright to not know how many NTC’s and NMC’s are on Jersey. We all make mistakes, you have been making them throughout this thread.

Backlund was on the list as one of the players to request a trade out of calgary.

It was a list of players who didn't want to resign or requested out. Hence toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tkachuk, JG, Zadorov, etc

[Knut]

How is Ty Conklin’s career doing vs Martin Brodeur?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by butterfly

He already scored this amount of goals in NJ, so I’m not sure where you’re coming from that it’s not a repeatable skill for someone at that age. If he fires 70 shots from the neutral zone to get his S% to a normal number would it make you feel better?



Now do that for Markstrom’s GSAE by year.

What does that have to do with what I posted?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Chris Stewart was traded a year later with 2 mill retention for a 2nd (the value came from the retention).

If Ott was a cap dump then why did STL resign him for the exact same amount?


You can call Halak, Ott, Stewart a net 0 wash approximately, none were very meaningful assets.

But again, if you want late 1st+2nd round prospect+3rd for 1.25 mill retained Markstrom, be my guest.

And again, goalie values have only gone down as teams have gotten smarter

The Flames are trading with Jersey, even if it is your package it would be a potential top 10 first round pick, not a late first.

[butterfly]

The former was directed at dgibb10.

The latter was for you. Can we see the same type of analysis for Markstrom?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Lindholm return got 1st, Prospect, Cap dump, nothing prospect, 4th. you weed out the Kuzmenko dump and it's a standard 1st+Prospect rental return.

Yegor is a good player. Always liked him. I was hoping he'd broken out in a new situation. I looked into it more and it's the typical shooting% heater that leads to a player being overrated. None of his other metrics are any different.

You just called the highest scoring D man in the OHL and a guy scouts are are referring to as Adam Fox of the North as as just a prospect and not how special he is. You proved you really know nothing.

[2ArmBands]

When Ty Conklin enters the thread you know it’s gone sour

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Backlund was on the list as one of the players to request a trade out of calgary.

It was a list of players who didn't want to resign or requested out. Hence toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tkachuk, JG, Zadorov, etc

When was this requested trade from Backlund. Maybe it made the newspaper in Newark but I don’t recall it.

[fotze2]

Bingo right meow: Ah Fack! What did I do?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Backlund was on the list as one of the players to request a trade out of calgary.

It was a list of players who didn't want to resign or requested out. Hence toffoli, Lindholm, Hanifin, Tkachuk, JG, Zadorov, etc

No one cares. Our team has lost or moved out 85% of our best players and we’re still better than the Devils.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

When was this requested trade from Backlund. Maybe it made the newspaper in Newark but I don’t recall it.

Post season last year. Wasn't until Sutter was canned that it went away. He's not wrong on this point.