2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

We'll trade you Ricardo and the signing rights to Moon for the paper clip and the pocket lint.

Throw in Spurs and you have a deal!

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Im just saying a top 5 pick could be better. Maybe, maybe not.

Team isnt going anywhere without at least a Superstar.

Nothing worse than planning around 1 pick that we had in the top 5 that didn't turn out to be a star.

Percentages show, elite players are drafted at the top of the draft at a much higher rate than as earlier as the 6th pick.

6-10 OV actually has a similar percent to 11-20 OV. 1st OV was like 80% chance of getting a star vs 10% after the top 5 picks.

[stemit14]

It seems like quite a few people are speaking like the deal with New Jersey is essentially dead. Is this coming from a source or is it frustration that it’s not done yet?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by blankall

Sounds like retention was a major issue. Conroy likely has little to know say in that. The owners don't like to spend money on retention. It's cost the team assets before, and it'll cost the team again.

It's established retention has value
And multi-year retention has more value.
So if NJ wasn't willing to trade that value, then I don't understand how Conroy f'd up.

Both the player and the salary have value and needed to be accounted for in any deal.

(Not disagreeing with you, just building on the thought).

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by stemit14

It seems like quite a few people are speaking like the deal with New Jersey is essentially dead. Is this coming from a source or is it frustration that it’s not done yet?

I don't think anyone knows except Calgary and New Jersey.

The rest is speculative at best. Nothing concrete either way, just a lot of spitballing.

If Sec214s info is right, they're still plugging away at it. Word s used were "very complex"

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by stemit14

It seems like quite a few people are speaking like the deal with New Jersey is essentially dead. Is this coming from a source or is it frustration that it’s not done yet?

Suspect the belief is coming from the fact that NJD is falling out of the race more.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How can you judge this without knowing what the deal was including what value was being offered for the retention.

If you’re not constantly priming yourself with all the things you’re going to angry about before you know them and even before they happen, can you even call yourself a “fan”?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I’m hoping Conroy didn’t #### this up by overplaying his hand. You need to understand your target and their motivations. Missing their playoff window is a massive fail as that was the leverage. The trade should have been made before the stadium series game, or at worst before this weekend. Missing this window is a mistake, one Conroy should have to answer for. The market for Markstrom is not going to improve moving forward.

It was. And then it fell through for a reason that we will likely never know for certain. And we don't know whether it was Conroy or Fitz that pulled the plug.

Also, Conroy is doing his job and does not 'have to answer for' anything - to you or me or anyone else, other than his bosses, who were no doubt 100% on board with his efforts.

[Roof-Daddy]

"I have no concrete information on what deal Conroy rejected from New Jersey, but he should be tarred and feathered if Markstrom isn't traded before the deadline!"

Gotta love angry fans that jump to conclusions, and thirst for blood with very little to no actual knowledge on what's really happening other than internet rumors and conjecture.

[dammage79]

I'm sure NJ would love to have this acquisition done last week. Work visas et al. Sooner the better for them of they're serious about this.

Which begs the question, how serious are they if they're still haggling.

This isn't just a "save this season" trade, this is also a stabilize the next 2 years trade.

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

"I have no concrete information on what deal Conroy rejected from New Jersey, but he should be tarred and feathered if Markstrom isn't traded before the deadline!"

Gotta love angry fans that jump to conclusions, and thirst for blood with very little to no actual knowledge on what's really happening other than internet rumors and conjecture.

Always better to have somewhere (someone) to target your frustrations

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I'm rooting for a trade out of left field nobody saw coming because I love the chaos

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm sure NJ would love to have this acquisition done last week. Work visas et al. Sooner the better for them of they're serious about this.

Which begs the question, how serious are they if they're still haggling.

This isn't just a "save this season" trade, this is also a stabilize the next 2 years trade.

They can still be interested and serious about a deal, but not agree with the Flames ask. History shows that 34-year-old goalies don't get the haul that some are suggesting. Maybe the Flames are asking for what some are suggesting and the Devils just aren't sure if they should pay that much only to miss the playoffs or Markstrom struggles in the playoffs and does not play at the same level he is now next year.

[Jiggy_12]

I too would hope that Conroy didn't fumble the ball. I'd like to trust that he didn't, but we still don't have much of a sample size from him yet.

But we arent exactly in the position of weakness from the negotiation standpoint. We are firmly in the driver's seat. The leverage being twofold - Markstrom isnt a UFA, we don't have to trade him. And he's playing out of his mind on a team 3 points back of an improbable playoff spot.

Conroy holds all the cards here. I'd be playing hardball too

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm sure NJ would love to have this acquisition done last week. Work visas et al. Sooner the better for them of they're serious about this.

Which begs the question, how serious are they if they're still haggling.

This isn't just a "save this season" trade, this is also a stabilize the next 2 years trade.

Getting him now is a save the season move. Who else is a serious threat to grab Markstrom before the deadline? Offseason will open up options for both teams but Markstrom probably has a pretty small list of where he will waive and Holtz is probably the best piece any team has to offer.

It does suck to have another trade get hyped and then fall apart lol. On to Hanifin and Tanev speculation

[JurassicTunga12]

Eagerly anticipating a new Flames [Trade] or even [Rumour] thread from sureLoss.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

They can still be interested and serious about a deal, but not agree with the Flames ask. History shows that 34-year-old goalies don't get the haul that some are suggesting. Maybe the Flames are asking for what some are suggesting and the Devils just aren't sure if they should pay that much only to miss the playoffs or Markstrom struggles in the playoffs and does not play at the same level he is now next year.

You understand they agreed on a price right? And it was the cost of retention that they couldn't agree on.

If the Flames were asking for some crazy, unreasonable price, negotiations would never have gone as far as they did.

I'll never understand why people make up their own narratives for these things

[dammage79]

Should have worded it better, it's not only just a save this season trade. It's a save this season and stabilize the next two years trade.

[Enoch Root]

It's a 'add the one key piece we need in order to take the next step' trade

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Point is, teams that lose in playoffs due to poor goaltending don't always just go out and blow valuable assets to get a good one. Goalies are up and down year over year, other than a select few.

Markstrom, Bobrovsky, Vanecek, Demko, Oettinger, Binnington, Kuemper, Fleury. Some of these goalies have won a cup and other years have played like an AHL goalie at best.

Teams that lose in the playoffs almost never blow assets to get goalies. The reason they do not do this is because teams with good goalies never want to trade those goalies. So those teams blow money at UFA time. The fact that teams do not spend assets on goalies has nothing to do with those goalies not being worth quality assets, it is because those goalies never become available because goalies are too valuable and teams never trade them. A Flames team that has a 90 point Huberdeau and made the playoffs last year and was on track to make the playoffs this year does not trade Markstrom. It is almost unheard of for a non-playoff team to have a stud goalie, they are almost always on playoff teams. That is why they don’t get traded.