2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Nobody is talking about them but I wonder if Carolina is a dark horse. They have the pieces to make the trade and they have the cap that they could move out. Calgary could absorb a lot of cap coming back.

Carolina currently has 28.2 million in cap space (with Andersen on the roster) and has to sign Necas, Drury, Jarvis, Terravainan and Skjei (along with 8 other players) with that cap. Markstrom at 3 million a year is right in their wheelhouse for cost for a goalie. I suspect they don’t want to trade Nikishin but I would propose the following

Markstrom 50% retained

Nikishin
Kotkaniemi
Andersen
Nadeau
2024 2nd

End result for Carolina would be that they would have 33.4 million to spend in the offseason to make their team better and retain current players (they would save 5.2 million in cap space next year) but would have a starting goalie who can stay healthy for this years playoff run and two more after that. The Flames have the ability to absorb that much salary and take a flier on a center and get a stud dman and offensive forward back.

They already have $5.4 mil tied up in Goalies next season. They’d probably have to be in the summer once they figure out if Andersen is done or not. And Kotchetkov is pretty solid… I can’t imagine they’d pay through the nose for a starter when they could probably find some vet to split games.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

They already have $5.4 mil tied up in Goalies next season. They’d probably have to be in the summer once they figure out if Andersen is done or not. And Kotchetkov is pretty solid… I can’t imagine they’d pay through the nose for a starter when they could probably find some vet to split games.

The idea would be to swap out Andersen’s 3.4 for Markstrom’s 3 dropping the amount they spend on goalies. Not sure I would trust the .905 guy who has never played in a big game to win in the playoffs.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Nobody is talking about them but I wonder if Carolina is a dark horse. They have the pieces to make the trade and they have the cap that they could move out. Calgary could absorb a lot of cap coming back.

Carolina currently has 28.2 million in cap space (with Andersen on the roster) and has to sign Necas, Drury, Jarvis, Terravainan and Skjei (along with 8 other players) with that cap. Markstrom at 3 million a year is right in their wheelhouse for cost for a goalie. I suspect they don’t want to trade Nikishin but I would propose the following

Markstrom 50% retained

Nikishin
Kotkaniemi
Andersen
Nadeau
2024 2nd

End result for Carolina would be that they would have 33.4 million to spend in the offseason to make their team better and retain current players (they would save 5.2 million in cap space next year) but would have a starting goalie who can stay healthy for this years playoff run and two more after that. The Flames have the ability to absorb that much salary and take a flier on a center and get a stud dman and offensive forward back.

By nobody do you mean everybody?

NJD, CAR and LAK have been linked to Marky throughout this saga.

That trade package is great, of course Conroy would take it.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

The only team missing out on the opportunity is the buyer for this years playoffs. Flames can move him in the summer where the salary is much easier to maneuver, or next deadline… the regression fears are silly in my opinion, Markstrom has one blip season on his career and it was when he had his first kid and the team was in turmoil internally. Flames can move him next year if someone doesn’t want to pony up. Their loss, not ours.

Perhaps but other factors are in the mix then as well.

Markstrom may tell the Flames i will waive for X, Y, and z only to avoid what has to be the uncomfortable mood around things right now, otherwise im not moving at all and dont ask me. I imagine him and his wife/family are having pretty deep convos about it these days. Hell. he may be asked now and deny things.

Also, the supply part of the equation rises in a big way in the summer when there are no pressure points on teams.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The idea would be to swap out Andersen’s 3.4 for Markstrom’s 3 dropping the amount they spend on goalies. Not sure I would trust the .905 guy who has never played in a big game to win in the playoffs.

I don’t disagree. I just think they’re less desperate than NJ. And in a better spot than the Leafs. They also have Raanta this year and Andersen is LTIR. So it would probably be Raanta coming back if anyone.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I don’t disagree. I just think they’re less desperate than NJ. And in a better spot than the Leafs. They also have Raanta this year and Andersen is LTIR. So it would probably be Raanta coming back if anyone.

I would throw in Andersen because it frees up 3.4 million to spend in the offseason. If he is on the book they have less cap space.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I don’t disagree. I just think they’re less desperate than NJ. And in a better spot than the Leafs. They also have Raanta this year and Andersen is LTIR. So it would probably be Raanta coming back if anyone.

Andersen is expected back in the next 10 days or so in an article i read last week.

How sharp/ready he is remains to be seen.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Andersen is expected back in the next 10 days or so in an article i read last week.

How sharp/ready he is remains to be seen.

Oh I missed that, thanks.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Just to clarify....between what it is I heard yesterday and reading between the lines on other reports is.....

The package agreed too by Calgary included Holtz as the only roster player along with other assets (pick/prospect? no idea) that were enough for Conroy to part ways. Mercer not included at any point. Also, Vanacek NOT part of the return.

The amount/value of retention on JM contract is where things got derailed

So then the question I would have is... what is a proper return for $9,000,000.00 in cap and actual dollars? Picked that number because that is roughly the deficit number on Vanacek (who I'm not interested in having at all and would only take if NJ insisted) and 50% retention on Markstrom.

Frankly IMO I think Mercer makes more sense for all parties as the "roster player" part of the return. As a C he's clearly lower on the depth chart in NJ and he's an RFA after this season while Holtz has another year left on his ELC while Calgary needs C more then wingers and Mercer's pending raise is less of an issue.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

The only team missing out on the opportunity is the buyer for this years playoffs. Flames can move him in the summer where the salary is much easier to maneuver, or next deadline… the regression fears are silly in my opinion, Markstrom has one blip season on his career and it was when he had his first kid and the team was in turmoil internally. Flames can move him next year if someone doesn’t want to pony up. Their loss, not ours.

It’s not even about Markstrom regressing it is one team that Markstrom would waive for being gone. Flames also really need to have a bottom ten finish next year and Markstrom could be an issue to getting that.
I just don’t see any return being better than Holtz + a 1st and the Flames are better off without Markstrom.

[devo22]

I still think the NJ deal that diss mentioned just makes sense.

Markstrom (50%)
Rooney

for

Mercer
Casey
Vanecek
1st

Might need a tweak here or there, but I think it just makes sense for both teams. Flames add some great pieces for the future and are well compensated for retaining, while the Devils get a top goalie on a cheap contract.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by devo22

I still think the NJ deal that diss mentioned just makes sense.

Markstrom (50%)
Rooney

for

Mercer
Casey
Vanecek
1st

Might need a tweak here or there, but I think it just makes sense for both teams. Flames add some great pieces for the future and are well compensated for retaining, while the Devils get a top goalie on a cheap contract.

Has this been reported somewhere? Seems like a lot of moving parts.

[Toonage]

I believe SuperMatt came up with this on their own the other day

[NewFan]

So what's our trade list:
Will be traded:
- Hanifin
- Tanev
- Markstrom
Available:
- Vladar
- Mangiapane
- Kuzmenko
- Duehr
- Rooney
- Pachal
Pay if you want?
- Coleman
- Kadri
- Sharangovich
- Weegar
- Andersson
For sale?
- Huberdeau
- Oesterle

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by NewFan

So what's our trade list:
Will be traded:
- Hanifin
- Tanev
- Markstrom
Available:
- Vladar
- Mangiapane
- Kuzmenko
- Duehr
- Rooney
- Pachal
Pay if you want?
- Coleman
- Kadri
- Sharangovich
- Weegar
- Andersson
For sale?
- Huberdeau
- Oesterle

You know the Flames still need to ice a team next year right?

[Paulie Walnuts]

New Jersey is losing games, they are 4 points out and have to go on a run. It's not like they can sit idle and let things play out like a LA or Carolina for a goalie.

Their players have called out the goaltending.

The pressure should firmly be on New Jersey, they have a young team and Markstrom would solve 2 years of problems for them while they can compete.

This isn't a trade deadline deal for them, they could be in a bad position by that time. The fact they haven't come at us with their best offer to me makes it seem like this thing is dead with New Jersey.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

You know the Flames still need to ice a team next year right?

I don't think concept of his post is wrong though.

Technically everyone on this team is available for the right price...except maybe Zary and Pospisil

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by devo22

I still think the NJ deal that diss mentioned just makes sense.

Markstrom (50%)
Rooney

for

Mercer
Casey
Vanecek
1st

Might need a tweak here or there, but I think it just makes sense for both teams. Flames add some great pieces for the future and are well compensated for retaining, while the Devils get a top goalie on a cheap contract.

Based on everything I've read here the last few weeks, this is my best guess for the offers:

NJ offered Holtz + 1st for Markstrom retained. NJ probably asked for 50% retention, and maybe they were willing to kick in a 3rd round pick

CGY countered with Mercer + 1st + Casey for Markstrom retained. Calgary probably countered with 25% retention. They definitely want Mercer, and Casey is their price for retention. NJ probably balked at this asking price.

If the deal is to be done today, I think what would bridge the gap would be something like: Holtz + 1st + Hemeenaho + 4th for Markstrom retained 30%.

Holtz + 1st is the price for Markstrom. Hemeenaho + 4th the price for retention.

I think that's a win-win offer for everyone involved and I'd be very happy with that return as a Flames fan. Mercer + Casey + Vanacek + 1st feels like a bit of a Flames fan's dream.

This is pure speculation on my part.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

You know the Flames still need to ice a team next year right?

The Calgary Wranglers have been promoted

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

You know the Flames still need to ice a team next year right?

Just because players are available doesn't mean they will get traded. Conroy would be a fool not to take some phone calls on most of those players. That said, I would add Sharangovich, Weegar, Andersson to the list of untouchables.