2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Toonage]

Part of me feels like Pierre is a few weeks behind the news curve.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Umm that is concerning if they keep trying to sign him and he doesn't want too.

I think we more or less know that the Flames made a significant attempt one last time before the all star break to get him to sign, and then asked him for clarity on that.

Probably safe to say that at this point we have that clarity, and he won’t be a Flame.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I realize more moves can be made but I get the feeling the Flames want to, and in some cases have no choice but to, hang onto Huberdeau, Zary, Pospisil, Pelletier, Coronato and Sharangovich beyond next season so where is the room to keep them all and give them meaningful minutes?

Honestly I think Pospisil is going to be a fourth line guy (a darn good one but a 4th line guy none-the-less... I don't want him miscast in a higher spot, like Lance Bouma was) so that's one down. so really we need to move 1 + X wingers (where X is any additional NHL level forwards acquired).

Maybe a hockey trade where a winger forms part of a package for a young NHL ready defenseman (since we're about to have a dearth of d-men).

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Umm that is concerning if they keep trying to sign him and he doesn't want too.

I don't think it is really concerning. They could be simultaneously looking for trade options and trying to see if they can sign him. Hanifin being unsure if he wants to sign long term, and out right not wanting to sign are two different things and I don't think anyone really knows what Hanifin is thinking. One thing they don't want to do with a player who is unsure, is drag it out to June 30th like Treliving did with Gaudreau, obviously. Being unsure at the deadline should be treated the same as not wanting to.

I do think if they are still trying to sign Hanifin, it is probably a sign that they aren't getting the trade offers they want, which probably also gives Hanifin leverage in negotiations. That part is a little concerning.

[Major Major]

The Hanifin thing could also be that they are allowing him to negotiate with other teams as a part of the regular process of completing a trade, but Hanifin is finding out the offers are not near as good as what the Flames are offering. Him still being undecided actually wouldn't be that surprising...

[atb]

Hampus Lindholm was injured last game and still no update on his injury/status from the Bruins. If he's out a while, could add some urgency for them to move on Hanifin.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Major Major

The Hanifin thing could also be that they are allowing him to negotiate with other teams as a part of the regular process of completing a trade, but Hanifin is finding out the offers are not near as good as what the Flames are offering. Him still being undecided actually wouldn't be that surprising...

That's a good point. I was looking at it as the Flames maybe not getting the assets they want back in a trade, so they are circling back to Hanifin. But maybe they are trying to trade him with an extension, and the other teams aren't willing to pay what Hanifin wants, and he is circling back.

That is if it is even true that the Flames are stilling considering an extension.

[Heavy Jack]

They did call up Mason Lohrei yesterday so that doesn’t bode well at least in the short term for Lindholm.

With NJ getting shellacked last night and both Tampa and Boston losing key top 4 D I wonder if we finally see the market start to simmer again especially around Hanifin and Markstrom.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I thought it was a yes or no answer from Hanifin. On yesterdays Insider Trading they said he is going to the market and will be traded, nothing about extensions.

That piece doesn't seem to be outdated as he mentioned the Lightning from yesterdays segment.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would assume that there would be two sets of offers for Hanifin - one for an extended Hanifin, and one for Hanifin as a rental.


I would also assume that if Conroy likes a particular deal for an extended Hanifin, that he would allow that team to speak directly to Hanifin's camp. If not, there is no reason to allow a team to speak to Hanifin directly.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Major Major

The Hanifin thing could also be that they are allowing him to negotiate with other teams as a part of the regular process of completing a trade, but Hanifin is finding out the offers are not near as good as what the Flames are offering. Him still being undecided actually wouldn't be that surprising...

I’m always curious how the “extension in place” trades work. I think teams would have to agree to the trade cost for a player under the assumption he would sign an extension with the new team before they even get to speak with the player. Also, I assume the flames (in this case with Hanifin) have to be in the room/on the call for any conversations that the new team would have with Hanifin.

I would think these things would have to happen to prevent the new team and player from agreeing to a deal in principle but then telling the flames they would not sign a deal so the new team could get the player at the rental cost… only to end up signing him to an extension later.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I’m always curious how the “extension in place” trades work. I think teams would have to agree to the trade cost for a player under the assumption he would sign an extension with the new team before they even get to speak with the player. Also, I assume the flames (in this case with Hanifin) have to be in the room/on the call for any conversations that the new team would have with Hanifin.

I would think these things would have to happen to prevent the new team and player from agreeing to a deal in principle but then telling the flames they would not sign a deal so the new team could get the player at the rental cost… only to end up signing him to an extension later.

Some framework for a trade would need to be in place, but I don't see why the Flames would need to be "in the room" on the extension talk. That isn't any of their business.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Nonis could have just picked Boston to set up base and scout the Stars and Kings as they came through.

3 teams in two games

Beanpot was there for some of that time too.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I’m always curious how the “extension in place” trades work. I think teams would have to agree to the trade cost for a player under the assumption he would sign an extension with the new team before they even get to speak with the player. Also, I assume the flames (in this case with Hanifin) have to be in the room/on the call for any conversations that the new team would have with Hanifin.

I would think these things would have to happen to prevent the new team and player from agreeing to a deal in principle but then telling the flames they would not sign a deal so the new team could get the player at the rental cost… only to end up signing him to an extension later.

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Some framework for a trade would need to be in place, but I don't see why the Flames would need to be "in the room" on the extension talk. That isn't any of their business.

With the Tkachuk sign and trade, the way I remember it being discussed is that the Panthers were allowed to negotiate the contract and then sent the paperwork to the Flames who basically just had to put a signature on it. Treliving wouldn't have know what it looked like until they got back to him. At least that is how I pictured based on the reports at the time. I could be wrong.

Of course in this situation, it wouldn't need to be a sign and trade to get the 8 year extension. The other team could just have an agreement in principle with Hanifin and finalize the contract after the trade.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

With the Tkachuk sign and trade, the way I remember it being discussed is that the Panthers were allowed to negotiate the contract and then sent the paperwork to the Flames who basically just had to put a signature on it. Treliving wouldn't have know what it looked like until they got back to him. At least that is how I pictured based on the reports at the time. I could be wrong.

Question I'm sure I'm supposed to know the answer to:

Only the team a player is currently under contract to can sign for that extra year. Why did the Flames need to sign and trade with Matthew? Wouldn't he have then been under contract with FLA and been able to do the same? Or is it the fact he was traded in the last year preventing FLA from signing for 8?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Question I'm sure I'm supposed to know the answer to:

Only the team a player is currently under contract to can sign for that extra year. Why did the Flames need to sign and trade with Matthew? Wouldn't he have then been under contract with FLA and been able to do the same? Or is it the fact he was traded in the last year preventing FLA from signing for 8?

The player has to be on the team by a certain date to qualify for an 8 year contract. I think that date is the previous trade deadline. Once that date passed, only the Flames could off him 8 years.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The player has to be on the team by a certain date to qualify for an 8 year contract. I think that date is the previous trade deadline. Once that date passed, only the Flames could off him 8 years.

Thank you!

[dammage79]

Just make the deals. I can't take much more waiting.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Some framework for a trade would need to be in place, but I don't see why the Flames would need to be "in the room" on the extension talk. That isn't any of their business.

Couldn’t a conversation like this happen if the flames aren’t in the room:

New team GM: “We really want you on the team and you’ve made it clear you want to be on our team too… but the price the flames want for us to get you under a signed extension is really high and it would mean giving up assets that could help us and you win a cup this year or in the next few years. If we both agree that we’ll sign the extension a few months/weeks from now, we can just tell the flames that you don’t really want to sign an extension with us. That way we can just pay the rental price for you instead of the ‘extension in place” price.”

Player: “Well, you’re the team I really want to be on and I want to win cups with you so I guess we can do that.”

[Paulie Walnuts]

Think about it though would you want Hanifin back if we let him negotiate with other teams and didn't get the same offer so he just took ours.

Conroy said he wants players here who want to be here, if he is not signing now but only to come back for money that is not a player you want.