[Rumour] TSN: Hanifin decision expected in coming days. D market waits on Tanev

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Goal posts haven't moved. Flames still aren't the Golden Knights. As such, Flames shouldn't navigate the NHL as though they are. This is precisely the point you seem to be (willfully?) missing.

Whereas your point seems to be that the Flames should develop players, and as soon as they are at their peak, sell them off for futures. In other words, they should be nothing but a farm team for the real contenders.

We went through that once before because there was no cap and the team had no money. I see no point in doing it voluntarily.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I know you’re kidding, but I would trade Hanifin+ just for Johnson.

So would I. Johnson would be an unreal fit here.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Well Weegar, Andersson and Tanev all regularly get more ice time than him. So I think it is actually the other way around. Hanifin might be a #1/#2 on a lot of teams, but is more a #3/#4 on the Flames.

Obviously I am hoping for a #1/#2 type return for him, though.

This isn’t even remotely true, and easily looked up too. Hanifin is second in ice time per game for the flames, and averages a full minute more per game than Weegar, and almost 4 minutes per game more than Tanev.

Hanifin, this year is a very clear #2 for Huska, and is having an excellent season

[getoverit]

keep heearing eat 50% of this contract, that contract. Looking at cap friendly doesnt look like we have enough cap relief to help facilitate trades. I dont think it reflects Dube coming off.

CALGARY FLAMES
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PROJECTED CAP HIT Tooltip : $84,134,665
PROJECTED LTIR USED Tooltip : $709,537
PROJECTED CAP SPACE Tooltip : $74,872
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DEADLINE CAP SPACE Tooltip : $342,272
TODAY'S CAP HIT Tooltip : $84,107,499

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by getoverit

keep heearing eat 50% of this contract, that contract. Looking at cap friendly doesnt look like we have enough cap relief to help facilitate trades. I dont think it reflects Dube coming off.

CALGARY FLAMES
Logo of the Calgary Flames
PROJECTED CAP HIT Tooltip : $84,134,665
PROJECTED LTIR USED Tooltip : $709,537
PROJECTED CAP SPACE Tooltip : $74,872
CURRENT CAP SPACE Tooltip : $199,659
DEADLINE CAP SPACE Tooltip : $342,272
TODAY'S CAP HIT Tooltip : $84,107,499

Yeah there's no relief calculated into that from Dube.

Also, the Flames are currently carrying cap (on CapFriendly) for 15 forwards , 2 goalies and 8 defencemen.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Whereas your point seems to be that the Flames should develop players, and as soon as they are at their peak, sell them off for futures. In other words, they should be nothing but a farm team for the real contenders.

We went through that once before because there was no cap and the team had no money. I see no point in doing it voluntarily.

This may come as something of a shock, but small market teams are already farm teams for big market clubs. This is why the big market teams get the top UFA talent and the rest of the league overpays for the scraps. So trying not to be something you already are is probably not going to work. Unless by some miracle Calgary returns to its 1970's and 1980's booming form.

I am curious when you think the Flames have tried this before? Pre cap era? Young Guns era? I mean what is being suggested here doesn't align with anything the Flames have done in the past, IMO. The Flames haven't had a top scouting staff in the league in over 30 years.

But to address your real objection: developing talent for other teams. Well here's the thing. In a professional sports league, talent is your currency. You might have a nice city, a nice arena and even a passionate fanbase. But the only thing you can really exchange is talent. Sure the Flames could relocate to a more desirable city, but I'm pretty sure none of us want that? So what's left? Talent.

In order to be rich in the currency of exchange you need more talent than the next guy over. If you can't buy the talent, you need to develop it. But here's the catch: you eventually need to trade that talent to realize any gains. And if you want to compound those gains you're going to need to trade that talent when it is at peak value. Essentially you're trading that beanstalk for enough magic beans to eventually grow a beanstalk farm. And once you get to that point, hopefully you're well fed on your burgeoning bean supply.

While the Flames can't compete when it comes to buying talent on the ice, I think it is a totally different story off the ice. There is no salary cap for your scouting and player development staff. As such, this is where the Flames should be making their biggest investments. Flames should not be bottom of the league in either of these departments.

[ComixZone]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1755373376112140708

I'd take a bounty from the Oilers for Tanev. It'd need to be a haul. 1st + good prospect.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yuck.

[Jetfire]

Wouldn't want to trade a helpful piece to the Oil first off, but I also don't like anything in their system.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah there's no relief calculated into that from Dube.

It wouldn't surprise me if CapFriendly needs to add a category to its algorithm: non-roster players not counting against the cap for reasons other than injury. I bet they weren't expecting this to be a thing.

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1755373376112140708

I'd take a bounty from the Oilers for Tanev. It'd need to be a haul. 1st + good prospect.

Tanev & Flames Management Declines.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1755373376112140708

I'd take a bounty from the Oilers for Tanev. It'd need to be a haul. 1st + good prospect.

They still have their first, but since when do they have any "good" prospect?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yuck.

To Edmonton: Christopher Tanev (50% retained)
To Calgary: Cody Ceci, Dylan Holloway (or a 2nd?), 2024 1st,

Then you work your magic and turn Ceci into something in the off-season/next TDL.

I'd do some of those sort of shenanigans (...if Holloway can be salvaged, yikes of a season...but, it is Edmonton and he is from Calgary, I can understand his suffering)

If you can turn Tanev into a multi-piece return including a 1st? Beautiful work.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by cannon7

This may come as something of a shock, but small market teams are already farm teams for big market clubs.

So you want to make matters even worse? Nice.

I am curious when you think the Flames have tried this before? Pre cap era? Young Guns era? I mean what is being suggested here doesn't align with anything the Flames have done in the past, IMO. The Flames haven't had a top scouting staff in the league in over 30 years.

All through the 1990s, the Flames had to trade their top players to other teams, or else watch them walk as free agents. They couldn't afford to sign them.

But to address your real objection: developing talent for other teams. Well here's the thing. In a professional sports league, talent is your currency. You might have a nice city, a nice arena and even a passionate fanbase. But the only thing you can really exchange is talent. Sure the Flames could relocate to a more desirable city, but I'm pretty sure none of us want that? So what's left? Talent.

You don't get the benefit of that talent if you trade it away the minute it's done developing.

In order to be rich in the currency of exchange you need more talent than the next guy over. If you can't buy the talent, you need to develop it. But here's the catch: you eventually need to trade that talent to realize any gains.

At some point you also need to win hockey games. Your plan doesn't include that stage.

Running a perpetual farm team for other clubs, and paying those farm players NHL salaries, is a great way to lose money.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1755373376112140708

I'd take a bounty from the Oilers for Tanev. It'd need to be a haul. 1st + good prospect.

Unfortunately, with Tanev, that's likely to be a very bad 1st

[dieHARDflameZ]

If you’re trading Tanev to the Oilers, you better be getting a king’s ransom back.

[dammage79]

2024 unconditional 1st, Broberg. No retention on Tanev, they have to work their own way out of the woods.

Tanev get injured in his 1st game and done for the year. Sign with CGY in the offseason.

It writes itself really.

[Jiggy_12]

The more suitors the better. price only goes higher.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by HitterD

This isn’t even remotely true, and easily looked up too. Hanifin is second in ice time per game for the flames, and averages a full minute more per game than Weegar, and almost 4 minutes per game more than Tanev.

Hanifin, this year is a very clear #2 for Huska, and is having an excellent season

Yes, in terms of average ice time as of right now Hanifin is #2. But he has been getting considerably more ice time the past 10-15 games than he did the first half of the season. This would be consistent with what we saw with Zadorov, where his ice time increased when he was actively being shopped. But if you want to call him a #2 that's fine.

[Poe969]

Whoever gives the best return is who you make the trade with. I'm all for being petty but not at the cost of assets.