[Rumour] TSN: Hanifin decision expected in coming days. D market waits on Tanev

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I like Hanifin as a player this year. He’s even pretty.

Now I know why you want to focus on the younger guys

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I think the only "deadline" in play right now is the deadline to either make a last and best offer, or perhaps accept the Flames last and best offer. That might have already happened.

The silence to me is a good thing, so long as the Flames aren't moving from their reported 8x$7.5. If Hanifin says no, then it is time to work with him and his agent to look at potential sign and trade deals, and failing that, the only deadline that matters is the trade deadline. Conroy has tons of time to make a rental deal at that time.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I heard on the NHL network yesterday that the Flames were hoping to have an answer by the end of the all-star break. I'm assuming the delay means they already have their answer.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by butterfly

You can if you have a deadline of the all star break and now there’s a game in the books since then. I hope he does assess his options, but that’s bad form.

Deadline’s over, heard nothing, bye.

For all we know, Hanifin' agent has already met with Conroy and discussed what they want to do. Maybe Conroy has already told other teams Hanifin is available and will work between now and the trade deadline to come up with a trade.

What are you expecting? Conroy to hold a press conference to say "the deadline we imposed has passed and now we are looking to trade Hanifin"?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I heard on the NHL network yesterday that the Flames were hoping to have an answer by the end of the all-star break. I'm assuming the delay means they already have their answer.

Not sure the Flames would announce that Noah has made a decision.

Edit: Narrator: he was sure they wouldn't.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And when your "home run opportunities" are entering into their prime at 26 and 27, sell them, right? And forever be a rebuilding team. No team competing for the final four hasn't retained some of their players into UFA years. This strategy sees TB getting rid of Hedman at age 27 and Stamkos at 26, before their present deals. They also should not have extended Point last year I guess.

How many Cups have the Lightning won after signing Hedman, Stamkos and Point to their current deals? Are the Lightning trending upward or downward in your opinion?

See the thing a lot of fans seem to miss is that clinging to talent passed its good by date is actually a losing proposition. First you're paying a premium for past performance, not future performance. Second, you're locking up cap space for an extended period of time into a declining asset. Third, you're also locking up a roster spot (especially if you go the NTC/NMC route) preventing younger talent from displacing them.

What is the end result? You have a fat and happy roster that isn't going to win a Cup, but might make a playoff appearance before bowing out and hitting the links.

Now if you're a desirable UFA destination then you can likely get away with padding your roster with talented (and expensive) mercenaries. But the Calgary Flames are not that. In fact, Calgary is on many no-trade lists. So leaning into this strategy as a small market team like the Flames is idiotic.

That being said, with every rule there is an exception. In my mind, if you have a generational talent, a true generational talent, then sure, you try to lock them up long term when they are 26/27. But these are rare. The last (arguably) generational talents the Flames had were Iginla and Kiprusoff, and the Flames kept them the right amount of time. While Hanifin is a solid defenceman, a generational talent he is not, and as such the rule should apply.

As for being forever a rebuilding team: yes, absolutely. The Flames should not be trying to be the Rangers, they should be trying to be the Tampa Bay Rays of the NHL. Draft well, ensure a stockpile of futures every year, have as many swings at the plate as you can get and establish a pipeline of talent that replenishes your NHL roster over time. Are you going to be a perennial top team in the league with this strategy? No. But the Flames weren't that anyway. The goal is instead to compete for a playoff spot 2-3 times every 5-6 seasons. If the Flames draft well, you might put together a run of repeated playoff appearances. IF they don't draft well, then they bottom out and improve their draft positions. But the overall goal is sustainability.

See the old method of rebuilding a team and entering a competitive window is simply not sustainable for a small market team. Presuming you're even the first choice for available talent (you're not), you'll still end up overpaying or outbid by larger markets. So put your chips where you have some hope of being competitive: scouting and drafting new talent.

[Muta]

Connie should trade Hanifin to Dallas for Wyatt Johnson, Logan Stankoven, and a 2024 1st. Then assure them that Hanifin will play even better once there.

C'MON DALLAS, DO IT YOU COWARDS

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by cannon7

How many Cups have the Lightning won after signing Hedman, Stamkos and Point to their current deals? Are the Lightning trending upward or downward in your opinion?

See the thing a lot of fans seem to miss is that clinging to talent passed its good by date is actually a losing proposition. First you're paying a premium for past performance, not future performance. Second, you're locking up cap space for an extended period of time into a declining asset. Third, you're also locking up a roster spot (especially if you go the NTC/NMC route) preventing younger talent from displacing them.

What is the end result? You have a fat and happy roster that isn't going to win a Cup, but might make a playoff appearance before bowing out and hitting the links.

Now if you're a desirable UFA destination then you can likely get away with padding your roster with mercenaries. But the Calgary Flames are not that. In fact, Calgary is on many no-trade lists. So leaning into this as a small market team like the Flames is idiotic.

That being said, with every rule there is an exception. In my mind, if you have a generational talent, a true generational talent, then sure, you try to lock them up long term when they are 26/27. But these are rare. The last (arguably) generational talents the Flames had were Iginla and Kiprusoff, and the Flames kept them the right amount of time. While Hanifin is a solid defenceman, a generational talent he is not, and as such the rule should apply.

As for being forever a rebuilding team: ys, absolutely. The Flames should not be trying to be the Rangers, they should be trying to be the Tampa Bay Rays of the NHL. Draft well, ensure a stockpile of futures every year, have as many swings at the plate as you can get and establish a pipeline of talent that replenishes your NHL roster over time. Are you going to be a perennial to team in the league with this strategy? No. But the Flames weren't that anyway. The goal is instead to compete for a playoff spot 2-3 times every 5-6 seasons. If the Flames draft well, you might put together a run of repeated playoff appearances. IF they don't draft well, then they bottom out and improve their draft positions. But the overall goal is sustainability.

See the old method of rebuilding a team and entering a competitive window is simply not sustainable for a small market team. Presuming you're even the first choice for available talent (you're not), you'll still end up overpaying or outbid by larger markets. So put your chips where you have some hope of being competitive: scouting and drafting new talent.

I agree with most of what you are saying, but don't see Hanifin in that logic.

He's young enough to be super effective for the entirety of his next contract.

And with the team being an undesirable UFA destination that makes signing him more logical, as he'll be harder to replace.

100% agreement when it comes to say Lindholm's extension though.

[BrennyBaller]

Originally Posted by cannon7

How many Cups have the Lightning won after signing Hedman, Stamkos and Point to their current deals? Are the Lightning trending upward or downward in your opinion?

Kinda weird to include Hedman and Stamkos as they've won their 2 cups after signing them...

[Red_Baron]

Before this season, I was indifferent whether he stayed or left.

Now I am all-in on re-signing him. He is doing all the things that we kept hearing he could be capable of. Unless the flames are offered an unreal package for him, I hope he's around for the next 8 years.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I agree with most of what you are saying, but don't see Hanifin in that logic.

He's young enough to be super effective for the entirety of his next contract.

And with the team being an undesirable UFA destination that makes signing him more logical, as he'll be harder to replace.

100% agreement when it comes to say Lindholm's extension though.

Yeah, it comes down to a player by player decision. Hard rules never really work well in real life. I think the Flames need to stay away from winning the sweepstakes on guys like Neal/Brouwer/Coleman/Kadri for the most part. I think that is where they get into real trouble.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Muta

Connie should trade Hanifin to Dallas for Wyatt Johnson, Logan Stankoven, and a 2024 1st. Then assure them that Hanifin will play even better once there.

C'MON DALLAS, DO IT YOU COWARDS

Then Dallas can eliminate both the Canucks and Oilers in the playoffs!!!!

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I agree with most of what you are saying, but don't see Hanifin in that logic.

He's young enough to be super effective for the entirety of his next contract.

And with the team being an undesirable UFA destination that makes signing him more logical, as he'll be harder to replace.

100% agreement when it comes to say Lindholm's extension though.

Hanifin will be hard to replace, no doubt. But not impossible. Maybe Kylington bounces back and fills that smooth skating #3/#4 role? Maybe Poirier takes his spot on the PP and one of Soloviev/Kuznetsov take over his defensive duties? Lots of things can happen when you open doors.

I'm sure we all had similar thoughts about Brodie, but with time we have a lot more perspective and I think few would pay him what the Leafs did if the Flames had a do-over.

Retain Hanifin long term for what purpose? So he can continue to do a competent job as our #3/#4? While remaining a middling team overall?

I just don't see the point. You lock up that cap space and roster spot for top talent, not second pairing guys who skate well.


And when that player's value is at its highest point, it just makes it all the more apparent that this is the time to cash in.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Perhaps, or you ask for Luke Hughes, new jersey has alot of young talent, they can afford to part with one, hanifin improves their D now, for the next 3 -4 years, plus a starting goaltender that they need. I don't think New Jersey benefits by having more 1st rounds, there opportunity to compete is getting close if not already here

I have heard Holtz mentioned, but Calgary needs a good prospect d-man

Luke Hughes? I don’t think so.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Hanifin will be hard to replace, no doubt. But not impossible. Maybe Kylington bounces back and fills that smooth skating #3/#4 role? Maybe Poirier takes his spot on the PP and one of Soloviev/Kuznetsov take over his defensive duties? Lots of things can happen when you open doors.

I'm sure we all had similar thoughts about Brodie, but with time we have a lot more perspective and I think few would pay him what the Leafs did if the Flames had a do-over.

Retain Hanifin long term for what purpose? So he can continue to do a competent job as our #3/#4? While remaining a middling team overall?

I just don't see the point. You lock up that cap space and roster spot for top talent, not second pairing guys who skate well.


And when that player's value is at its highest point, it just makes it all the more apparent that this is the time to cash in.

I think you need some stability and quality vets in each position. Keep Hanifin and trade Andersson or Weegar.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think you need some stability and quality vets in each position. Keep Hanifin and trade Andersson or Weegar.

Trading Weegar would be just dumb.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Muta

Connie should trade Hanifin to Dallas for Wyatt Johnson, Logan Stankoven, and a 2024 1st. Then assure them that Hanifin will play even better once there.

C'MON DALLAS, DO IT YOU COWARDS

I'd be thrilled with anything close to this kind of return.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Trading Weegar would be just dumb.

I don't think anyone takes his contract so it is a moot point but I think the Flames should pick two of Hanifin/Weegar/Andersson.

I'd trade Andersson because I think he has the most value and will regress the most.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I'd be thrilled with anything close to this kind of return.

It'd be more like Bourque + a 1st max

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by konradical

What would you guys think of

Tanev for 2nd and (Holtz or Siegenthaler)

I cant see NJ giving away their 1st this year as a non playoff team. And the Flames are not gonna wait for their 2025 if they want to be retooling on the fly.

Here you get 2 players who are young and can slot into the lineup.

Mercer seems too good for it to be apart of a Tanev deal. Maybe something you can revisit if they want Markstrom in the offseason

If you can get Holtz for Tanev, , that would be excellent.