2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by devo22

some might use those numbers to argue that draft picks are overvalued, but to me, it's actually the opposite. How else are you going to find star players and build your franchise in the long run? The more picks you have, the higher the chance you hit on some. Give me as many picks as possible ... can never have enough bullets in the chamber.

And in recent drafts I think many of us feel the Flames staff is above average and hopefully improving those odds a touch.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by devo22

some might use those numbers to argue that draft picks are overvalued, but to me, it's actually the opposite. How else are you going to find star players and build your franchise in the long run? The more picks you have, the higher the chance you hit on some. Give me as many picks as possible ... can never have enough bullets in the chamber.

You can do both things

Iginla-not drafted by the Flames
Kipper-not drafted by the Flames

Maybe the best two players in franchise history...I would never suggest to trade all your picks but when you have extra trading a mid to late first for a high end prospect or young player just hitting their stride seems like a no brainer

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And in recent drafts I think many of us feel the Flames staff is above average and hopefully improving those odds a touch.

The European scouting definitely needs an upgrade.

The Flames did well when they went after smaller players in later rounds like Mangiapane, Wolf, Gaudreau, and Phillips.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You can do both things

Iginla-not drafted by the Flames
Kipper-not drafted by the Flames

Maybe the best two players in franchise history...I would never suggest to trade all your picks but when you have extra trading a mid to late first for a high end prospect or young player just hitting their stride seems like a no brainer

Iginla was received for trading a star player hitting UFA they could not afford.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Iginla was received for trading a star player hitting UFA they could not afford.

(who they drafted and won the calder)

[Tbull8]

Iginla was also drafted 6 months prior to being traded so he may as well have been drafted by the Flames. Clearly they liked him that draft year

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And in recent drafts I think many of us feel the Flames staff is above average and hopefully improving those odds a touch.

yes and no. I think their track record in the 2nd and 3rd especially has been pretty bad lately too ... apart from Poirier, there's little upside there to any of the picks in the last 5 years or so. Didn't even sign a couple of 3rds (Huckins and Whynot), Stromgren has 1 goal in 41 AHL games, and then there's guys like Nikolaev or Boltmann. Love the 2023 class though, so fingers crossed.

There's no guarantees obviously, but you'd like to see a bit more from 2nd and 3rd rounders than the Flames have seen recently IMO.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The European scouting definitely needs an upgrade.

The Flames did well when they went after smaller players in later rounds like Mangiapane, Wolf, Gaudreau, and Phillips.

Last three 1st round picks seem to have been good choices for late in the first round as well.

Coronato standing up well vs pears.
Zary looking great vs the rest of that round.
Pelletier certainly not getting left behind.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You can do both things

Iginla-not drafted by the Flames
Kipper-not drafted by the Flames

Maybe the best two players in franchise history...I would never suggest to trade all your picks but when you have extra trading a mid to late first for a high end prospect or young player just hitting their stride seems like a no brainer

Trades like this will be available every year, especially the Kipper trade.

Why not build for a year through the draft and stockpile more picks again next season and when the time is right make these types of moves?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Iginla was also drafted 6 months prior to being traded so he may as well have been drafted by the Flames. Clearly they liked him that draft year

Timing was everything on that trade. The Flames nabbed him just before he blew up in the WJHC.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Iginla was also drafted 6 months prior to being traded so he may as well have been drafted by the Flames. Clearly they liked him that draft year

Liked him yes, but if Flames management had their way, they would’ve had prospect Todd Harvey instead.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Timing was everything on that trade. The Flames nabbed him just before he blew up in the WJHC.

And wasn’t he the Flames second option after Dallas rejected their first ask ?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Last three 1st round picks seem to have been good choices for late in the first round as well.

Coronato standing up well vs pears.
Zary looking great vs the rest of that round.
Pelletier certainly not getting left behind.

That's true, but the 2022, and 2021(after Coronato) drafts look like complete misses at this point.

In contrast, the 2020 draft seems like a home run of a draft with Zary, Poirier, Kuznetsov, Kerins and Solovyov(overager).

With hindsight, Topi Ronni, and William Stromgren seem like pretty bad 2nd round picks.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Last three 1st round picks seem to have been good choices for late in the first round as well.

Coronato standing up well vs pears.
Zary looking great vs the rest of that round.
Pelletier certainly not getting left behind.

That comparison is apples to oranges.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by devo22

yes and no. I think their track record in the 2nd and 3rd especially has been pretty bad lately too ... apart from Poirier, there's little upside there to any of the picks in the last 5 years or so. Didn't even sign a couple of 3rds (Huckins and Whynot), Stromgren has 1 goal in 41 AHL games, and then there's guys like Nikolaev or Boltmann. Love the 2023 class though, so fingers crossed.

There's no guarantees obviously, but you'd like to see a bit more from 2nd and 3rd rounders than the Flames have seen recently IMO.

Kuznetsov and Poirier were solid picks.

Lots of support for Suniev and Morin last year (it's early).

Biggest issue has been a lack of 2nd and 3rd round picks.

[Toonage]

This has been brought up numerous times but it is kind of funny how two of the franchise's most transformative stars basically came here by fluke.

They wanted Harvey, not Iginla.

They wanted Toskala, not Kiprusoff.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

That's true, but the 2022, and 2021(after Coronato) drafts look like complete misses at this point.

In contrast, the 2020 draft seems like a home run of a draft with Zary, Poirier, Kuznetsov, Kerins and Solovyov(overager).

With hindsight, Topi Ronni, and William Stromgren seem like pretty bad 2nd round picks.

Given the percentages I don't think there's much point in showing picks that didn't turn out. Second round picks are what 5% likely to have any impact?

I'm suggesting the Flames of late seem to be hitting above league averages.

[Robbob]

Picking late is such a crap shoot. In hindsight, Lazar will be a more productive NHLer than the second pick we gave up for him. Picks are just magic beans.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Iginla was received for trading a star player hitting UFA they could not afford.

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

(who they drafted and won the calder)

Drafted... in the 2nd round.

Also star players not drafted by Calgary: Gio, Mullen, Macdonald, Gilmour, Otto.

Also star players not drafted high: Gaudreau, Fleury, Makarov, Suter.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Drafted... in the 2nd round.

Also star players not drafted by Calgary: Gio, Mullen, Macdonald, Gilmour, Otto.

Also star players not drafted high: Gaudreau, Fleury, Makarov, Suter.

Makarov shouldn’t count as talent found late