[Trade] Elias Lindholm to VAN for Kuzmenko, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond 2024 4th

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Love to see a player waive his trade clause to play in Calgary. How often does that happen? I wonder Kuzmenko has any links to Sharangovich?

Sharangovich is Belorussian

[Johnny Makarov]

This is effing awesome. Pretty much guarantees the Canucks will do jack squat in the playoffs.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Personally I hope they lose in the first round and Lindy walks. If the 4th could turn into a 1st or 2nd sure but the Nucks losing early also means the 1st is a little better for the Flames. Final 4 it is guaranteed to be 29-32

If the Canucks lose in the first round currently the flames would get the 28th pick. If they don’t absolutely tank in thr final 33 games we want them to win two rounds.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Who cares?

Fantastic

Weren’t you the guy saying we’d get a 2nd and a 4th for Lindholm?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Love to see a player waive his trade clause to play in Calgary. How often does that happen? I wonder Kuzmenko has any links to Sharangovich?

Apparently not. Sharangovich played all his high-level hockey in Minsk before coming to North America. Kuzmenko comes from Yakutsk (reputedly the coldest city in the world), and played his high-level hockey in Moscow.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by jg13

From what I see most Oiler fans are pissed on both ends that Canucks get Lindholm and the Flames get a haul to move in the right direction which is a W for me.

The big losers in the Flames Canucks trade are the Oilers!

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

This trade (aside from how good the return is) really answers a lot to lingering questions and doubts that many of us have had.

Craig will be patient and wait for the right deal
He will not chase a playoff spot as a priority above the teams future
He knows what he’s doing

I think we are in good hands

This is the start of going down the right path even though I still think Lindholm is a heck of a 2-way center to give up. The erasing of Treliving's mistakes will hopefully turn the Flames into a true Cup contender in due time.

[Burning Beard]

Conroy is doing a great job so far. Keep it up.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by heep223

Not sure how you’re getting to “pretty close” from there…take what you have and add a 40 goal scorer and another mid round pick. By your own analysis this is an absolute haul

Really? A 40 goal scorer? If Kuzmenko were a 40 goal scorer the Canucks wouldn't have dealt him. Kuzmenko was a salary dump. Everyone has been talking about it for weeks and Vancouver made no qualms about saying he would be shipped out to balance salaries. So this is no big coup for the Flames. They ate a contract and player that Vancouver didn't want and the Flames were compensated with one of the prospects or picks. It's a good futures package but hardly the haul suggested from some of the other teams. We should be happy with it and hope Lindholm goes to Vancouver and continues his uninspired play, dragging the Canucks back into a wild card slot, for the best 1st possible, but helping them lose in the conference finals and securing that third round pick.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Yamer

It was an obtuse point. If we find a player that isn't welcoming of a community based on their skin colour, is that a more palatable reason to not want him wearing the Flaming C?

That's pretty comparable. It's not like butterfly wants a player off the team because he's a cat person instead of a dog person.

Not everyone who disapproves of Pride events is anti-LGBT.

[BaconGuy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Personally I hope they lose in the first round and Lindy walks. If the 4th could turn into a 1st or 2nd sure but the Nucks losing early also means the 1st is a little better for the Flames. Final 4 it is guaranteed to be 29-32

If the canucks finish first overall, it’s #28 so what the difference really.

The big draw would that the canucks most likely beat the oilers to get to the WCF, the pick upgrade would just be icing on the cake

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Great trade. I feel like I just took a huge dump.

What were you hearing before? You mentioned a number of times we should be prepared to be disappointed.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If the Canucks lose in the first round currently the flames would get the 28th pick. If they don’t absolutely tank in thr final 33 games we want them to win two rounds.

So the 4th round pick becomes a 3rd round pick? My dislike for Vancouver outweighs my desire to go from pick 115 to pick 85.

[Roof-Daddy]

Every time there is an update about this trade it gets better lol

4th might become a 3rd

Nice

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Weren’t you the guy saying we’d get a 2nd and a 4th for Lindholm?

Absolutely
So
Getting a first is fantastic

[Roof-Daddy]

Hopefully Kuzmenko lights it up now.

Build that value for next TDL potentially

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by BaconGuy

If the canucks finish first overall, it’s #28 so what the difference really.

The big draw would that the canucks most likely beat the oilers to get to the WCF, the pick upgrade would just be icing on the cake

If Vancouver beats Edmonton I am all for it but maybe Vegas beats Edmonton and the Nucks also lose in the first round? That would be swell and to me hitting the condition isn’t that appealing.

[The Fonz]

Can we please stop responding to Yamer and butterfly. Just let them have the last word and let’s move on. This should be a positive thread, it’s what basically every fan wanted & more.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Every time there is an update about this trade it gets better lol

4th might become a 3rd

Nice

Yeah, usually its stated the value of the pick will only get worse, not better.

Not one downside with this trade.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Really? A 40 goal scorer? If Kuzmenko were a 40 goal scorer the Canucks wouldn't have dealt him. Kuzmenko was a salary dump. Everyone has been talking about it for weeks and Vancouver made no qualms about saying he would be shipped out to balance salaries. So this is no big coup for the Flames. They ate a contract and player that Vancouver didn't want and the Flames were compensated with one of the prospects or picks. It's a good futures package but hardly the haul suggested from some of the other teams. We should be happy with it and hope Lindholm goes to Vancouver and continues his uninspired play, dragging the Canucks back into a wild card slot, for the best 1st possible, but helping them lose in the conference finals and securing that third round pick.

It's pretty close to the return suggested in all those polls if not more depending on people's view of Brz.

If you look a how they have played and produced in their draft+1 I'm not sure there is a huge difference between a guy like Calum Ritchie and him TBH.

Kuzmenko isn't as good as maybe a guy like Trent Frederic would have been based on this years okay but higher upside offensively for sure ...and you also have the other prospect and a 4th on top of it.

This is very comparable to all the trade returns proposed in the thread.