2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Zero indication? He was on air live talking about how they would rather keep the UFAs and resign them than trade anyone last week.

That's braindead. Anyone saying that should be out in the cold. If you don't think this opinion is being generated by Maloney please tell us why.

So what? How would announcing to the league you’re desperate to sell be of any benefit? What he said in that interview means nothing.

[Toonage]

Some people just aren't great at identifying rhetoric. Or fluff I suppose.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Some people just aren't great at identifying rhetoric. Or fluff I suppose.

To play devils advocate, has the team ever shown us that they're willing to go against the grain if you will, and commit to selling when they need to?
I'd argue no, mostly they've shown us they'll try to salvage at all costs because they value playoff gate revenue over long term rebuilding.

20+ years of mediocrity here, almost entirely made up of failed seasons with sprinkle of 1st round exits.
So yea, when Maloney goes on live air and says the west is up in the air and they think they have a real shot to make it, and anything can happen in the playoffs... it scares some of us.

Now add in his desire to look to resign some of the UFA's who have mentally checked out all season, its a real head scratcher.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by blankall

Wonder if this means it's acceptable for the team to shop him. Get a good trade in place, then approach Markstrom. Surely, Markstrom has given the team hints as to what kind of teams he would accept a trade to. Example, does he want to be in a big city, likely a contender, ideal weather, etc...

I suspect what it means is they are going to be actively shopping him. Rather, if a team comes to them with a offer that meets their bar, they will then approach Markstrom with those details and the specific opportunity.

The difference between
"Hey Marky, you good if we put you on the market" v.
"Hey Marky, NJ has made an offer that we feel really good about and would help this organization long-term, while giving you an opportunity to move to a contender. Are you open to waiving your NTC to go there".

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Royle9

To play devils advocate, has the team ever shown us that they're willing to go against the grain if you will, and commit to selling when they need to?
I'd argue no, mostly they've shown us they'll try to salvage at all costs because they value playoff gate revenue over long term rebuilding.

20+ years of mediocrity here, almost entirely made up of failed seasons with sprinkle of 1st round exits.
So yea, when Maloney goes on live air and says the west is up in the air and they think they have a real shot to make it, and anything can happen in the playoffs... it scares some of us.

Now add in his desire to look to resign some of the UFA's who have mentally checked out all season, its a real head scratcher.

I understand the PTSD behind this, but even if the Flames do end up making questionable decisions around the deadline it doesn't change the fact that this was just a figure head filling time on an intermission show.

if Conroy says something like that during a press conference prior to the deadline, yeah, worrisome.

[ResAlien]

Actions mean infinitely more than words. I don’t care if the POHO and GM come out with a joint statement saying we will never trade another player for any reason ever, it’s just public talk.

Do some of you expect the GM to provide a detailed guide as to the team’s plans? Daily updates on the workings in the buildings? Heck maybe he could shoot us a few gifs while he’s at it.

It’s all talk nothing more. The actions will show us what they plan. I feel that past decisions by the franchise show they’re not willing to make difficult choices on players and admit where the team is to themselves but maybe this new group is different.

I hate saying we shall see but when it comes to management we shall see is the only way to judge. It’s like saying you believe NFL GMs during lying season, we all know it’s all crap so why get worked up about it?

[traptor]

For everyone saying that the Flames are playing poker and using subterfuge to gain advantage in trade negotiation.

Has it not been their philosophy for the last few decades to clutch onto any shred of mediocrity that they can?
They've proven time and again that they will cling to any liferaft that will keep them in the middle. all the insiders, Maloney, bean and conroy have said different versions of the same thing.

I'm sure these UFAs will get traded and thay will be great. But it appears to be forced onto them and the core philosophy is still misguided. Hopefully it has changed and they are intentionally misguiding everyone.

[Vinny01]

Allegedly Larry Brooks has stated Lindholm is at the top of the Rangers wish list

https://x.com/discussionnyr/status/1...Id-kuUoekIUv4A

[Tbull8]

Kakko and their 1st please! Rangers are also a team I could see Lindholm open to re-signing with.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by traptor

For everyone saying that the Flames are playing poker and using subterfuge to gain advantage in trade negotiation.

Has it not been their philosophy for the last few decades to clutch onto any shred of mediocrity that they can?
They've proven time and again that they will cling to any liferaft that will keep them in the middle. all the insiders, Maloney, bean and conroy have said different versions of the same thing.

I'm sure these UFAs will get traded and thay will be great. But it appears to be forced onto them and the core philosophy is still misguided. Hopefully it has changed and they are intentionally misguiding everyone.

Mediocrity is not the goal
It’s just the outcome of a flawed approach on how they think to best compete

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Allegedly Larry Brooks has stated Lindholm is at the top of the Rangers wish list

https://x.com/discussionnyr/status/1...Id-kuUoekIUv4A

If Kakko is included in the trade, what is his equivalent value in terms of picks? If we compared the return for Bennett as a similar young player that was a high draft pick but has not developed as well as projected, I think he could be considered equivalent to the value of a 2nd round pick + prospect (former 2nd round pick). Does that sound right?

[Bongsong]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Kakko and their 1st please! Rangers are also a team I could see Lindholm open to re-signing with.

+ I think

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Mediocrity is not the goal
It’s just the outcome of a flawed approach on how they think to best compete

Yeah fair enough no one intentionally aims for mediocrity.

My bias bled through and I framed it negatively.

"Always stay in the mix" is probably a more fair representation of their philosophy.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by stemit14

If Kakko is included in the trade, what is his equivalent value in terms of picks? If we compared the return for Bennett as a similar young player that was a high draft pick but has not developed as well as projected, I think he could be considered equivalent to the value of a 2nd round pick + prospect (former 2nd round pick). Does that sound right?

I think so, 1st + kakko to me is very similar to 1st+Bennett.

aka

1st
2nd
B prospect

which is about the value I expect for Lindholm. Kakko might be slightly more than Bennett was at the same time, but similar

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

For everyone saying that the Flames are playing poker and using subterfuge to gain advantage in trade negotiation.

Has it not been their philosophy for the last few decades to clutch onto any shred of mediocrity that they can?
They've proven time and again that they will cling to any liferaft that will keep them in the middle. all the insiders, Maloney, bean and conroy have said different versions of the same thing.

I'm sure these UFAs will get traded and thay will be great. But it appears to be forced onto them and the core philosophy is still misguided. Hopefully it has changed and they are intentionally misguiding everyone.

Why'd they trade Zadorov and Toffoli if there wasn't a core change in their current philosophy?
The last time they started a rebuild it was Feaster out in the media saying the team wasn't rebuilding etc and they just wanted youth in the line up. He then traded Iginla and Bouwmeester at that deadline

[traptor]

Originally Posted by stemit14

If Kakko is included in the trade, what is his equivalent value in terms of picks? If we compared the return for Bennett as a similar young player that was a high draft pick but has not developed as well as projected, I think he could be considered equivalent to the value of a 2nd round pick + prospect (former 2nd round pick). Does that sound right?

Kakko is abit younger then Bennett was when he was traded. I think for this reason you could argue that Kakko has more runway still left and thus more value.

I think newhook might be a closer representation.
1st+2nd

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by traptor

For everyone saying that the Flames are playing poker and using subterfuge to gain advantage in trade negotiation.

Has it not been their philosophy for the last few decades to clutch onto any shred of mediocrity that they can?
They've proven time and again that they will cling to any liferaft that will keep them in the middle. all the insiders, Maloney, bean and conroy have said different versions of the same thing.

I'm sure these UFAs will get traded and thay will be great. But it appears to be forced onto them and the core philosophy is still misguided. Hopefully it has changed and they are intentionally misguiding everyone.

You seem to not be able to distinguish between your perceptions and reality. You colour every event through your lens, then apply your lens forward, assuming the same, and judging them accordingly.

If you can't see that comments coming from the POHO, prior to the deadline trading season, are nothing more than sound bites to answer a reporter's question with standard filler snippets, then I don't know what else to tell you.

YOu see exactly what you want to see, regardless of what actually transpires.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You seem to not be able to distinguish between your perceptions and reality. You colour every event through your lens, then apply your lens forward, assuming the same, and judging them accordingly.

If you can't see that comments coming from the POHO, prior to the deadline trading season, are nothing more than sound bites to answer a reporter's question with standard filler snippets, then I don't know what else to tell you.

YOu see exactly what you want to see, regardless of what actually transpires.

While i appreciate the free psychoanalysis, it's not that deep man.

I'm just taking what they say at face value because it aligns with what they've done in past.

And yes everyone views the world through their own lens. This is a psychology principle called schemas. Everyone takes in information that is then adjusted by your own personal schemas.

[Canada 02]

the Larry Brooks article mentioned above

https://nypost.com/2024/01/30/sports...be-wrong-move/

Calgary surely will conduct a bidding war that would likely yield a first-rounder plus at least one legitimate prospect and perhaps a young, NHL-ready player.

That would be a pill poisonous enough for the Rangers to swallow, but in order to incentive Flames GM Craig Conroy — operating at his first deadline after assuming the job last summer — to move quickly and abort the auction, Drury would have to overpay, probably considerably.

It could take the first-rounder and, say, Kaapo Kakko. Or maybe the Flames would prefer Will Cuylle or Brennan Othmann. Maybe they’d want a second-rounder in addition. And though the Rangers could accommodate Lindholm’s $4.85 million cap hit, doing so would leave little to address other weaknesses so the cost would be even higher in order to get Calgary to retain 40 or 50 percent of the contract.

For a rental.

But an overpay for Lindholm — which by definition they would be obligated to do in order to obtain the veteran who, by the way, is 9-32-41 in 49 games with two goals in his last 25 games, and welcome to the party! — would be a historically Rangerish move.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You seem to not be able to distinguish between your perceptions and reality. You colour every event through your lens, then apply your lens forward, assuming the same, and judging them accordingly.

If you can't see that comments coming from the POHO, prior to the deadline trading season, are nothing more than sound bites to answer a reporter's question with standard filler snippets, then I don't know what else to tell you.

YOu see exactly what you want to see, regardless of what actually transpires.

TBF, all humans do this. Our "reality" is just a projection of what we believe to be true.