Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Do you have any proof that Dube wasn't suffering from a mental health crisis before the Flames were aware of what was to come?

If so, please share. If the Flames are lying I'd like to know.

The point is not whether Dube is suffering from a mental health crisis or not. The point is that the Flames did not need to word the initial statement in the way they did. They could have, and should have, simply stated that he was granted a leave for personal reasons -- like every other team did.

If the community here had caught wind that Dube was potentially involved, the organization would have also been aware. The proper legal and ethical course would have been to say as little as possible regarding the reason for his leave.

The organization now appears to have been either wilfully blind about the possibility that this was related to the ongoing sexual assault case, or to have chosen, in spite of this possibility, to do right by the player in citing mental health. In either case, it's a terrible look for the organization.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

It's interesting that Carter Hart is in the final year of his three year 11.937 million dollar contract. He's an RFA after this season. I wonder if the Flyers management knew about the allegations, which is why he was only signed to a bridge contract. You gotta think he's a 6+ million dollar goalie in today's market.

Gee, I wonder who would sign him without hesitation.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Oh yes, poor Flames. How could anyone in the organization have possibly known? What a shame that they have been taken advantage of in this way. Poor professional sports team had the wool pulled over its eyes. Never mind that it was an open secret around the league that their player was involved and accused.

Give me a break. This was a massive PR blunder. There were no legal grounds to cite mental health in the initial release. It's a horrible look, and the organization is now being subject to criticism and ridicule that it deserves.

Well there are plenty of organizations that have nothing to do with this, if you are so convinced of this feel free to choose one and zark off.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by rohara66

I'll be shocked if the Flames don't 100% cut all ties with Dube immediately.

a) #### him, he's being charged with SA.
b) He clearly sucks as a human.
c) He also sucks as a hockey player.

How can you know Dube sucks as a human? I mean how many interactions have you had with the guy?

The guy is often involved in the community, helps his teammates, and in general strikes me as a character guy.

Now I don't mind the Flames cutting ties with Dube for hockey reasons, but I think it's premature to find him guilty of anything, before the court does. Take Johnny Depp as an example, his reputation and career took a huge hit, because people were way too quick to jump to conclusions.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

It's interesting that Carter Hart is in the final year of his three year 11.937 million dollar contract. He's an RFA after this season. I wonder if the Flyers management knew about the allegations, which is why he was only signed to a bridge contract. You gotta think he's a 6+ million dollar goalie in today's market.

Doubtful. The victim didn't file the lawsuit until April of 2022. By then, Hart would already been in the 1st year of that contract.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by liamenator

The point is not whether or not Dube is suffering from a mental health crisis. The point is that the Flames did not need to word the initial statement in the way they did. They could have, and should have, simply stated that he was granted a leave for personal reasons -- like every other team did.

If the community here had caught wind that Dube was potentially involved, the organization would have also been aware. The proper legal and ethical course would have been to say as little as possible regarding the reason for his leave.

The organization now appears to have been either wilfully blind about the possibility that this was related to the ongoing sexual assault case, or to have chosen, in spite of this possibility, to do right by the player in citing mental health. In either case, it's a terrible look for the organization.

Maybe Dube is the only player to cite mental health leave as the reason, and the other players requested “personal leave”. Why wouldn’t Dube just ask for that?

Yeah he’s made a lot of people look bad here in the short term, but what he’s accused of is far more significant. And what Hockey Canada did is far more significant and damming.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well there are plenty of organizations that have nothing to do with this, if you are so convinced of this feel free to choose one and zark off.

Hoping that the organization you cheer for has better standards than what they've displayed should not be a position of mockery.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Oh, don't you worry! Even with the statement, I'm sure people will still stick to what they "believe".

I was actually half kidding, but I see there wasn't any hyperbole from what I said lol. Sigh.

[Infinit47]

I'm more worried about what they know now, and how absolutely 10 ply their response is.

1. Terminate contract;
2. Donate remaining balance of contract to local women's shelters;
3. Sleep at night.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I have explained this, but I appreciate that there are hundreds of posts to wade through.
This is the type of situation that leads to mental breakdown, crisis and risks of suicide. When someone has been hiding something, or worried about something for a long time and it finally comes out, it can be shattering.

To be clear, since others have misunderstood this - I'm not asking people to sympathize with Dube for that. I'm just staying that it is entirely reasonable that he suffered a major mental health event when he found it he was being told to report to be charged with these crimes.

Can you point to another example in history where a public figure in crisis has intentionally desired the publication of more detail, as opposed to less?

I don't think many people are denying the possibility that Dubé was in crisis. It's just weird to allude to it unnecessarily.

Some people would also be fine with sharing the nature of their absence. But the wording here is simply odd to me, whatever the underlying details may be.

[getbak]

Here are all four lawyers' statements in one tweet:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1752507478523162900

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't think fans are even that surprised that Dube is one of the 5 players implicated. It's hard to imagine that the team had even less evidence to look at.

They likely kept themselves distanced from everything to give themselves plausible deniability. Don't ask, don't tell. It's not the same as lying, but not completely ethical either. I love the Flames, but I also don't like how this looks. I also doubt many teams would act differently, and at least 3 didn't. Ottawa got lucky because they had an easy out with Formenton since his contract expired after the incident was outed to the world. They could just let him go without drama. Impossible to know for sure, but if this thing dragged out longer, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the plan for the Flames with Dube in July when his contract was set to expire.

I don't know if suspicion alone is enough to get out of a contract. The NHLPA would probably fight it. Plus, people tend to extend the benefit of doubt to people they are closely connected to. If they are saying it's a complete shock though, I am not buying it.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I'm more worried about what they know now, and how absolutely 10 ply their response is.

1. Terminate contract;
2. Donate remaining balance of contract to local women's shelters;
3. Sleep at night.

Let’s maybe give them more than a few hours to terminate a legally binding contract. You can’t really just terminate it right away. There will be lawyers involved from the Flames, the NHL, and the NHLPA. This is not something they can just snap their fingers and do.

Give them some time to work it out. I’ll be shocked if all 5 players don’t have the contracts terminated soon but it won’t be immediately.

[Scroopy Noopers]

If you’ve never seen it in person, #### gets real when you’re describing your actions in detail to a court room. With the amount of information already released on this story, I can’t see how any of these guys play in the league again.

[fotze2]

The most amazing thing is how accurate the rumour train has turned out. The secrecy in hockey needs to be studied. It’s really something else.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Have people been arguing that it's made up or just that maybe it wasn't the best to frame the leave as a mental health leave with the potential this was coming down the pipeline (confirmed or not at that time).

I think most have acknowledged that Dube likely does have some mental health issues he'd be struggling with right now due to the circumstances, just didn't seem overly smart of the organization to frame the leave that way.

I do think the best argument about the Flames post was that the Flames didn't offer any real sympathy or well wishes to Dube in their initial post (with the comparisons to Laine's press release) ...which is probably a sign there was more going on but maybe they were pressured into framing it that way.

'Dillon is under the care of health professionals..........'

That's the part of the original statement that stands out to me. If that is indeed true, I don't see what is wrong with the statement.

If it is not true........then yeah, this is a huge problem.

Again, I'm open to any evidence either way. If the Flames are lying I'd really like to know. If they're not, maybe they could have left that part out, but I don't know why they had to if it's true.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

So if it's possible there was a mental health crisis and that's why he left the team at that moment how is the statement wrong?

I never said the statement was wrong. It's just a bad PR move that they portrayed Dube as a victime of mental health issues when he was about to be charged with gang rape.

Why do you keep saying I said things that i didn't say?

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Gee, I wonder who would sign him without hesitation.

Probably every team in the league, probably.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Hoping that the organization you cheer for has better standards than what they've displayed should not be a position of mockery.

Dragging the team you cheer for through the mud for something they didn't do is bs and I am tired of reading it. This organization has been total class and always addressed anything that was a problem right away. There is nothing at all to indicate they did anything wrong here and to continue to slander the team over something Dube is is fn crap! People look for any reason to get the pitchforks out, be better.

[Tuco]

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