MF YYC Politics - there, I mega did it

[undercoverbrother]

This whole ####ing topic is ridiculous.

[btimbit]

I think the bag bylaw is incredibly stupid

I also think some of the rhetoric is hilariously over the top. "Now I have to have food in my lap as I drive!" .... Well then put it down somewhere, dumb dumb

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I'm not saying they have the same or similar insulating properties, I'm literally talking about air exchanging between cold and warm spaces and without a barrier the temperature will normalize between them faster. Yes, if your bag was made out a DOOR then I'm sure it would be superior. I would pay 15 cents for an insulated bag, but then we actually are sh-tting on the environment.

Imagine suddenly you started losing things that were included with your order unless you paid more money for it. Oh wait, we don't have to, it's actually happening. See, it's dumb sh-t like this. How is this a justification?

No, I won't notice, but I have zero dependents and lots of disposable income. The same way people are complaining about inflation, no, I don't really notice that either. I dunno, maybe I just give a crap about other people who aren't me and don't make as much as me, instead of just pretending I do when it lets me score fake internet points. I think offloading these costs to consumers to pretend we're doing something positive for the environment (spoiler: we're not) accomplishes nothing but increases the burden on people who are already feeling a crunch.

'It's just 15 cents', no, because a lot of costs to consumers are increasing, to some it'll be death by a thousand cuts, and we're getting zero actual positive return.

And who the f--k wants to use a re-usable bag for take-out? Seriously, are you going to use one bag just for drive-through orders? With the glorious grease stains you're bound to get eventually? No thanks.

I know this isn't what you meant, but I just thought of a benefit of no bag. Driving away before you look in the bag and realize they missed stuff.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I think the bag bylaw is incredibly stupid

I also think some of the rhetoric is hilariously over the top. "Now I have to have food in my lap as I drive!" .... Well then put it down somewhere, dumb dumb

I will sometimes have my drink between my legs, but I still don't want my food containers sitting directly on my leather seats. The prep stations themselves often have grease on them (anyone who has worked in the kitchen knows this). And if you have cloth or alcantara seats, those grease stains are sticking around. I got chimichurri from dinner the other night on my jeans and it was a couple days of spot treating with Dawn liquid and air drying to get it out... now try that with car seats.

[Wormius]

Sounds like the 15 cents is worth it then to save the the integrity of the alpaca or appalachian seats or whatever.

[Fuzz]

The solution is for vehicle manufacturers to start putting in buffet stations between seats.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Sounds like the 15 cents is worth it then to save the the integrity of the alpaca or appalachian seats or whatever.

Let's turn this around -- why do you think it's worth charging people 15 cents for a bag?

1. Producing reusable cloth bags is worse for the environment than it is to use recycled paper to produce the compostable bags.
2. The paper bags are compostable.
3. That reusable cloth bag is going to eventually get gross with food grease stains on it despite washing it and it will get thrown out.
4. The cost of the bag is already included in the cost of the food.
5. The 15 cents does not go toward any climate initiatives, it simply adds to the bottom line of the business.
6. It's yet another cost targeting consumers instead of manufacturers, when people are already feeling the crunch.

Above all else, it's annoying. It's annoying that council does stupid performative sh-t like this that inconveniences people and costs them more money for literally zero benefit, and it's annoying that people defend such stupidity.

[Flames0910]

Whether you're for the change or not, I still can't over the fact that Terry Wong voted for this, and is now tweeting from his luxury vehicle about how folks have been wronged and children need Happy Meals.

Like The Beaverton couldn't have come up with something more ridiculous if they tried. This is a deeply unserious man who doesn't deserve the privilege of representing Calgarians.

Edit: and the fact that this guy does this, and then gets called one of the "sane six" should be enough to make any thinking person question the whole monicker.

[Wormius]

I think it will help deter unnecessary packaging, and if that eventually means that bin pick-up can be reduced to a biweekly schedule, it will be worth it. You can have all of those city employees busy doing weekly blue bin pickup doing something else or reducing costs for the City. You already have people’s heads exploding saying they won’t pay the charge so it’s working at curbing the use.

[powderjunkie]

The Sane Six:

1. Chu: Pedophile rapist who abused is police officer authority to do so

2. McLean: too many scandals to list (my favourite is still when he exaggerated his own fraud when bidding on a contract from the Olympics)

3. Sharp: Steered the bus to achieve the worst public arena deal in history

Chabot/Wyness/Wong...can't say much about them. Chabot has seemed reasonable the odd time I've seen him in a council session. I have only vague recollections of Wyness seeming like an airhead early in the term, but I don't put much weight in that. In any event, I don't recall any substantial pragmatism or well-reasoned/principled stances from any of these 6.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Whether you're for the change or not, I still can't over the fact that Terry Wong voted for this, and is now tweeting from his luxury vehicle about how folks have been wronged and children need Happy Meals.

Like The Beaverton couldn't have come up with something more ridiculous if they tried. This is a deeply unserious man who doesn't deserve the privilege of representing Calgarians.

People were polarized on Drew. Kensington and Sunnyside must be having buyers remorse on this guy (and yes, I'm aware he benefitted from vote splitting).

[curves2000]

Rick Bell is a conversative leaning columnist for the Calgary Sun, primarily. When Post Media merged the Sun and the Herald, we got him on both papers often. He has a unique writing style and a way of getting his point to the common man using common sense thinking some of the time. Some of the time his thoughts are a little out there for something basic.

His career covering city and provincial politics is legendary and is well known within the journalism community. He is a beat writer who pounds the pavement looking for the story. When CTV, CBC or other news outlets are looking for a western perspective, a conservative perspective, an Alberta political perspective and more, they will bring on Rick Bell sometimes.

I am on the younger side, but I ALWAYS appreciate experience and different view points when it comes to media. I don't always agree with everybody but that is the point. Far too often these days we are writing off people media we don't agree with and older people with the experience in the matters. It's not healthy

[TorqueDog]

His 'unique writing style' is using way too many f--king paragraph breaks in his writing. Every. Single. Sentence.

Originally Posted by Wormius

I think it will help deter unnecessary packaging, and if that eventually means that bin pick-up can be reduced to a biweekly schedule, it will be worth it. You can have all of those city employees busy doing weekly blue bin pickup doing something else or reducing costs for the City. You already have people’s heads exploding saying they won’t pay the charge so it’s working at curbing the use.

Explain how. The worst offenders for unnecessary packaging are from manufacturers and found in the grocery stores; as an prime example, the bell peppers are packed in single-use non-recyclable plastic in sets of three or four.

How does forcing people to pay more for something that actually isn't a problem change anything?

It sounds like a motion is forthcoming from within council to re-evaluate the bag bylaw today.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

'Why not just pay the $0.15', 'people have a choice, it's a very minor cost', 'do people not have reusable bags in their cars'; god damn, do some of you ever go out of your way to justify unnecessary performative nonsense just because someone you don't like has signaled they're against it.

I walked to the pub on Sunday (walking is good, right?), and on the way home I remembered I needed to pick up sour cream to make chicken paprikash. So I popped into Co-op. I also realized I was out of bananas and should pick some up. But since I’m an idiot who didn’t bring a reusable shopping bag with me to the pub, I’d have to carry both the sour cream and a bunch of bananas in my hands for the remaining 1.5k walk home. So I just got the sour cream.

Was it a rage-inducing travesty? No. Was it stupid and annoying? Yes. And it’s okay to acknowledge that. You don’t have to join the Dinger Fan Club just because you share an opinion with the guy on a subject.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I will sometimes have my drink between my legs, but I still don't want my food containers sitting directly on my leather seats. The prep stations themselves often have grease on them (anyone who has worked in the kitchen knows this). And if you have cloth or alcantara seats, those grease stains are sticking around. I got chimichurri from dinner the other night on my jeans and it was a couple days of spot treating with Dawn liquid and air drying to get it out... now try that with car seats.

I just used a napkin last night

Again I'm not arguing for it, I think the whole thing jumped the shark the second it included compostable and/or paper bags. Just laughing at how some people are a little over the top about it

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Everyone seems to love Victoria and they have the lowest tax rate in Canada I think.

Something to keep in mind is that the city of Victoria is quite small and has the downtown core and a small number of residential properties relative to the surrounding districts.

Each of Saanich, Esquimalt, Oak Bay, View Royal, Langford, Metchosin, Colwood all have their own municipalities and taxes.

I live in Esquimalt and my property taxes are artificially low due to CFB Esquimalt being here.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I walked to the pub on Sunday (walking is good, right?), and on the way home I remembered I needed to pick up sour cream to make chicken paprikash. So I popped into Co-op. I also realized I was out of bananas and should pick some up. But since I’m an idiot who didn’t bring a reusable shopping bag with me to the pub, I’d have to carry both the sour cream and a bunch of bananas in my hands for the remaining 1.5k walk home. So I just got the sour cream.

Was it a rage-inducing travesty? No. Was it stupid and annoying? Yes. And it’s okay to acknowledge that. You don’t have to join the Dinger Fan Club just because you share an opinion with the guy on a subject.

Meh, you should have worn the bananas on your belt and started a new style trend.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I walked to the pub on Sunday (walking is good, right?), and on the way home I remembered I needed to pick up sour cream to make chicken paprikash. So I popped into Co-op. I also realized I was out of bananas and should pick some up. But since I’m an idiot who didn’t bring a reusable shopping bag with me to the pub, I’d have to carry both the sour cream and a bunch of bananas in my hands for the remaining 1.5k walk home. So I just got the sour cream.

Was it a rage-inducing travesty? No. Was it stupid and annoying? Yes. And it’s okay to acknowledge that. You don’t have to join the Dinger Fan Club just because you share an opinion with the guy on a subject.

Or... you could've purchased a paper bag for 0.15 to carry the two items (and more) home in one hand and save a trip back later.

I think that some of the bylaw misses the mark, and maybe you didn't want to part with the literal nickel and dime out of principle, but you could've had your bananas too.

[Ozy_Flame]

Here in Ontario, No Frills sells those cheap cloth bags for 0.25 cents if you need one. No one bats an eye. That said, we still get our McDonald's in a paper bag (although to be fair, it usually comes out of the bag asap lol)

[btimbit]

The part that does bug me, even if council does revert this bylaw, I can see a lot of retailers keeping the charge anyway