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Old 01-25-2024, 11:46 AM   #981
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i can't imagine the aftermath, but this is entertaining at least...

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Old 01-25-2024, 12:44 PM   #982
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That's gonna cost him...
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Old 01-26-2024, 09:36 AM   #983
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The cost of capital projects in the western world is completely bonkers right now, so I don't think we should just assume that we'll just build more capacity because we all have EVs.

I think at this point its very likely that the transition is going to result in some major power problems across the board, and we're already starting to see that.

Renewables aren't ready in the least bit to produce baseload power, natural & coal are being forced out and everything else is too expensive.

I think everyone needs to start thinking about personal solar + battery going into the future if they want sustainable power.
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Old 01-26-2024, 10:14 AM   #984
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Maybe I'm naive, but I think it will solve itself. If people end up in a power crisis, a lot of the peripheral obstacles to developing infrastructure will start to crumble very quickly.

Not being able to charge phones and hop on TikTok will result in a wartime like effort.
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Old 01-26-2024, 11:13 AM   #985
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Maybe I'm naive, but I think it will solve itself. If people end up in a power crisis, a lot of the peripheral obstacles to developing infrastructure will start to crumble very quickly.

Not being able to charge phones and hop on TikTok will result in a wartime like effort.
I don't think it'll solve itself, but I think there will be plenty of options available where although there will be a bunch of hiccups during the transition, solutions are easily obtainable and deployable.
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Old 01-26-2024, 12:18 PM   #986
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You can't just 'deploy' baseload power generation quickly.

Solar is not baseload
Wind is not baseload

Nuclear is too expensive and takes too long to build
Hydro same thing

What are we left with for baseload generation?

Oh right.

Natural gas.

Too bad we're not serious about it.
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Old 01-28-2024, 10:40 AM   #987
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You can't just 'deploy' baseload power generation quickly.

Solar is not baseload
Wind is not baseload

Nuclear is too expensive and takes too long to build
Hydro same thing

What are we left with for baseload generation?

Oh right.

Natural gas.

Too bad we're not serious about it.
I hope we are more forward looking about this.

A gas plan takes ~4 years to build, and tons of these things are built every year.

Nuclear right now takes 6-8 years on average which is "too long" I guess, but some people are pulling it off a lot faster:

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Old 01-28-2024, 09:43 PM   #988
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I hope we are more forward looking about this.



A gas plan takes ~4 years to build, and tons of these things are built every year.



Nuclear right now takes 6-8 years on average which is "too long" I guess, but some people are pulling it off a lot faster:



That's just not true for nuclear here. Only 2 nukes have been built in North America since the 90's and one took 40+ years and the other was 14 years.

There's definitely reason to think that could change and the 7th or 8th iteration of the same design could maybe get there, but showing a graph comparing units built in China or in the 1970's with today is really inaccurate.

If we want nuclear, and we're serious, it'll need to be government led, have a multitude of plants built, and all will absolutely have to be the exact same design and construction outfit. Otherwise it simply ain't happening
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What evidence do we have that any government in the western world is able to build any high cost capital infrastructure project on time and on budget?

It is rare.

I think we're deluding ourselves into thinking that we're not royally screwed over with the current method of how we manage these things.
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What evidence do we have that any government in the western world is able to build any high cost capital infrastructure project on time and on budget?

It is rare.

I think we're deluding ourselves into thinking that we're not royally screwed over with the current method of how we manage these things.
The government wouldn't be building them, it's private enterprise
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The government wouldn't be building them, it's private enterprise
Same question.

And also, why would any private organization even want to get involved with these projects given the redtape and stupidity they have to work through in order to make progress?

This is like the pipeline issue.

Private enterprise can't build pipelines because the government doesn't create a feasible environment to do so. So government takes over, and then it goes insanely over budget.

But eventually it gets built, however all private capital is looks at it is and thinks 'hell no' when it comes to the next one.
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Government won't be building them but they will be sure to slow down the process with as much environmental and consultation reviews if it enamours their political base.
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Sure, but when people by EV's one of the key numbers they look at is range. It's very important. So when it's 30-50% less than that, it does matter because a "fill" in cold weather also takes a long time. How many people look up the range of a gas vehicle before buying? Very few, because a fill is 5 minutes.
Alternatively, I can fill my EV every night after work by plugging in when I get home. As long as your peak range is enough for your daily use, after accounting for the loss of efficiency in the cold, it's no issue.
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Alternatively, I can fill my EV every night after work by plugging in when I get home. As long as your peak range is enough for your daily use, after accounting for the loss of efficiency in the cold, it's no issue.
Uh, ya, that was the point of my post. You need to know those things on an EV, where you don't care on a gas vehicle.
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Old 01-30-2024, 02:40 PM   #995
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That's just not true for nuclear here. Only 2 nukes have been built in North America since the 90's and one took 40+ years and the other was 14 years.

There's definitely reason to think that could change and the 7th or 8th iteration of the same design could maybe get there, but showing a graph comparing units built in China or in the 1970's with today is really inaccurate.

If we want nuclear, and we're serious, it'll need to be government led, have a multitude of plants built, and all will absolutely have to be the exact same design and construction outfit. Otherwise it simply ain't happening
Agreed, my point was more that there are no physical constraints to building them at a decent pace. Lots of places with less bureaucracy are building them significantly faster and still maintaining high standards of safety.
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Old 02-16-2024, 07:41 PM   #996
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Cybertrucks rusting already?
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Cybertrucks rusting already?
No.

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Old 02-17-2024, 09:56 PM   #998
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Hey guys some wiener named “Bearded Tesla Owner” with 70k followers said it’s all good so nothin to worry about.
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Think it's kind of true that it wont 'rust' per say, but it'll get dinged up and look pretty bad after a while, like an old pot
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Hey guys some wiener named “Bearded Tesla Owner” with 70k followers said it’s all good so nothin to worry about.

Elon Stans acting like Tesla is doing Cybertruck owners a huge solid with the opportunity to clean off the rust that came with their new cars.
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