2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Sec214]

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

So assuming we can get another two 1st rd picks (Lindholm/Hanifin), wondering a few things:

1. Would you trade all three 1st rd picks (Lindholm/Hanifin) + our own 1st rd to whoever wins the draft lottery for a chance to draft Celebrini (assuming whoever wins the draft would be willing to make that trade)
2. Hang on to all three picks and make the selections similar to 2013 (Monahan/Klimchuk/Poirier)
3. Trade any of the two picks obtained for young players already discussed in here for a quicker retool (Zegras,Grieg,etc)

1. No one would make that trade. Jay Feaster tabled that trade with 6th + 22nd + 28th in an attempt to draft Mackinnon, and Colorado rejected it.

2. I'd hope that we'd make better picks, but yes - I'd absolutely want them to make all the picks.

3. No, I would make the picks. This team needs to build a healthy organizational depth. They're not going to get the top-end skill that they need via trades. They need to take a chance and hope they get it with depth picks, but ultimately these picks being made should act as the way to draft and develop our own support players. The Flames are going to need to bottom out if they want to get become something worthwhile, and it will happen naturally thanks to Kadri, Backlund, and Markstrom's ages. Best to start drafting the support players that can help the young stars that we will eventually be forced to/need to draft in the coming years.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Coming away with 3 picks in the first round (2 through trades) and a couple of prospects or young roster players. A cap dump or two in there is fine.

3 x 1sts at this draft is a must for me given the assets we're sitting on and the ability the Flames should have to pit bidders against one another.

If there is less than 3, that better be an indicate that Hanifin is re-signing here.

Edit: to clarify, am implying the 3rd is the Flames' own. So two 1sts at the deadline.

Can't get tunnel vision on deals of only a certain type, such as 3 1sts this year. If you can get a less protected 2025 pick, that might be better. The key is extracting value from the assets, that better sets the team up for the future. Doesn't have to manifest in 3 1sts this year.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Freeway

What does success for the Flames at the trade deadline look like to y'all?

I would be happy with just trading the UFAs but if you want to really set yourself up, you need to do more. This team needs to drop in the standings as far as they can and sell high on anyone that brings value.

UFAs traded.
Markstrom and Coleman traded (assuming you can trade Coleman for a good pick, 2nd)

No salary retained on players with term, if you need to do that to move them, then it isn't worth it as I don't see this team getting top 5 spot in the draft.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Can't get tunnel vision on deals of only a certain type, such as 3 1sts this year. If you can get a less protected 2025 pick, that might be better. The key is extracting value from the assets, that better sets the team up for the future. Doesn't have to manifest in 3 1sts this year.

I think we've talked about this before - I'd happily take 1st round picks in 2024, 2025, or 2026, but I'd actually prefer 2025 and 2026 draft picks due to the general league volatility. For the Jets and Canucks as an example, both are having banner years and don't have the history to show that it's sustainable outside of these heaters that they're on. I'd sooner take 1st rounders from them in 2025 or 2026 and perhaps capitalize on them falling down a bit next year or the year after.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Toonage

1. No one is making that trade
2. Yes, but not compare it to the 2013 draft class
3. Sure, but neither of those players will be moved for that

Originally Posted by flambers

I doubt the team, who has 1st overall selection, would accept the offer....

three 1st likely in the bottom half of the draft is no where close enough.

My guess, if they acquire addtional 1st rounders, they make the selections

Originally Posted by ComixZone

1. No one would make that trade. Jay Feaster tabled that trade with 6th + 22nd + 28th in an attempt to draft Mackinnon, and Colorado rejected it.

2. I'd hope that we'd make better picks, but yes - I'd absolutely want them to make all the picks.

3. No, I would make the picks. This team needs to build a healthy organizational depth. They're not going to get the top-end skill that they need via trades. They need to take a chance and hope they get it with depth picks, but ultimately these picks being made should act as the way to draft and develop our own support players. The Flames are going to need to bottom out if they want to get become something worthwhile, and it will happen naturally thanks to Kadri, Backlund, and Markstrom's ages. Best to start drafting the support players that can help the young stars that we will eventually be forced to/need to draft in the coming years.

Agreed with all, no way scenario #1 is realistic, just thinking about taking another swing like we tried with Mackinnon in 2013.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Freeway

What does success for the Flames at the trade deadline look like to y'all?

I agree with Mr. Estrada. Roll the dice for young players with top six forward or top four defense upside. I'd be more inclined to go with already drafted players who have a year of pro under their belts so you have a better read on them. We need to find more and better bodies in the short term and then focus on draft picks after we see the gas in the system close. The back-to-back drafts in 2021 and 2022 created a hole in the system that needs to be plugged by taking other team's prospects in trade IMO. Once we get past that hole we can go back in on draft picks, draft picks, draft picks, but until then, we need to build some support for Zary, Pelletier, and Coronato. That's going to have to come from outside the organization so use the UFAs we have to grab talented "B" level prospects and hope one or two of them pop.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Freeway

What does success for the Flames at the trade deadline look like to y'all?

For me to call this year's Trade Deadline a success they would need to trade or sign all UFA's and move out a goaltender to make way for Wolf. Lettings any UFA's walk for nothing would be a monumental failure.

I'd still prefer to trade Hanifin. The return should be huge, we're years away from contending - and that's if everything was to go right, and I believe this year's draft is heavy on D. At the same time, if we can sign Hanifin for say $7M per, I can get on board with that as well.

Entering this year's draft with at least two 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks should be the goal IMO, but a homerun of a Trade Deadline for the Flames would see us entering the draft with three 1st round picks. Yes young prospects are great too, but I feel like our drafting over the last 10 years or so has proven to be good/great, and I would trust Button and co. to make those extra picks.

One small caveat though, if there's any legitimacy to the idea that Colorado could entertain trading Byram for Lindholm (whether in a sign and trade situation or otherwise..) I would want the Flames to make that move, and then trade Hanifin.

[Bongsong]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Why so stressed

[Flamesfan05]

Going after another team’s young already playing players required the Flames to be good at pro scouting

So far they had one hit, Sharangovich?

[PepsiFree]

Some combination of extra picks in the first three rounds this year and next year and young players (under 24) with top six/top four upside. Ideally 2 of those things if we’re talking 1sts and high upside prospects, but more pieces if the quality isn’t there.

Whether that’s a couple extra 1sts and a 2nd and 3rd, or one extra first and a young player, or a couple young players and a third, whatever.

I’m also fine with signing Hanifin or Tanev (or both). I think Lindholm absolutely has to move at this point, and I’m fine with a goaltender moving either before the deadline or in the offseason. Walking Tanev to free agency would be unfortunate but I wouldn’t lose sleep over it. Moving Lindholm and Hanifin (or signing Hanifin) is a must, neither guy can hit FA and be viewed as anything but a huge blunder on Conroy’s part.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Because Conroy and the Flames would never give up a playoff hope

And I doubt they have as much faith in Wolf as some people here

Yeah, that’s the disappointing part. Bottoming out is super needed here in this and next offseason. If I were Conroy I wouldn’t put stock in Wolf either, just because you never know with goaltenders and defence how they’ll adapt. I’m of the view that you maximize your trade value with guys older, as I’m the case of Markstrom, then you sign a vet who doesn’t mind splitting time and mentoring Wolf. Then ina year or two you bulk up on d and give Wolf the support he needs to succeed with the guys directly in front of him. But keeping as asset like Markstrom to be a mentor and forego a first is crazy talk.

[stemit14]

My idea of an ideal start to the rebuild is the following:

1. Trade Lindholm for 2024 1st round pick + 2nd round pick + B-level prospect
2. Trade Tanev for 2024 1st round pick or 2nd round pick (1st round pick if that team is one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the league and the value of that 1st round pick is closer to a 2nd round pick).
3. Trade Hanifin (with extension) for a 2024 1st round pick + A-level prospect.
4. Go into the draft with 3 or 4 first round picks.
5. Of course it would be amazing to win the draft lottery, but you can’t plan for that so (assuming the flames pick outside the top 5), try to move up your first pick in the draft only if it gets you either Celebrini or Lindstrom. If not, stay put and make your pick. If Tij Iginla is ranked to go at/near your spot, I would be very excited to see that happen but, ultimately, take the best player available. Hopefully they go for the player with the highest ceiling instead of the player with the lowest floor (within reason - not a big fan of Eiserman at this point).
6. If they don’t end up taking Tij Iginla with their first pick at say 8th/9th overall, I would love it if they could package some of their other picks and maybe a roster player like Coleman to have another pick in the top 15 where they might be able to pick Tij. Would be a cool story and a I think he will be a great player.
7. Use any remaining picks on guys with high upside… especially when it comes to scoring. Taking the safe two-way player with low/average offensive numbers rarely seems to work out for the flames.

Dream draft:
Celebrini or Lindstrom with the first pick.
Tij Iginla with their second pick.
Any other picks after that would just be a bonus.

[Blaster86]

Canucks are apparently in hard on Lindholm.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Canucks are apparently in hard on Lindholm.

What would the Nucks give?

[stemit14]

Have to make sure you get full value on Lindholm - especially trading with the Canucks. Not because they are a rival (though I do think that plays a bit of a role)… but because you chose to take a lesser return on Zadorov in order to have cap space for the trade deadline so you could maximize the return on other players. Would look bad if the Canucks got Zadorov for a discount and you didn’t make them pay max value for Lindholm.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Canucks are apparently in hard on Lindholm.

Makes a lot of sense on both sides.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

What would the Nucks give?

Zadorov

[Toast_Man]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Zadorov

He'd be perfect to fill the hole Zadorov left on the 3rd pairing.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

What would the Nucks give?

Lekkerimaki to start.

They also just lost Soucy for 3-4 weeks, likely need another D as well.