2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[JBR]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Alright this is a fantasy style blockbuster that I have a feeling would be balked at from the other team but I am going to make my valuation below. This is based on the Sens absolutely needing a massive shakeup and the Flames looking to retool as opposed to rebuild.

To OTT: Huberdeau+Weegar+Dube
To CGY: Norris+Chabot+Joseph

How far off is the value in your opinion?

There would have to be a 3rd team involved.

To OTT: Huberdeau+Weegar+Dube+4th
From OTT to MOON: Dube

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Fair points but I disagree. I think Ottawa has made the same mistakes as Edmonton in their rebuild and gave the kids the keys to the city and now trying to insulate those kids with older players there is too big of an age gap. Edmonton had the Hall, Eberle, Nuge crew and they couldn’t relate to the Ference, Smyth greybeards. An Oilers fan in my office stated that the org admitted that was their biggest mistake in their tankbuild. Staios was only there for the beginning so he wouldn’t have as much memory of that.

But have no idea why Buffalo trades a younger, cheaper player with less injury history for Norris. I don’t touch the Weegar for Chabot+2nd trade if I am Calgary and I doubt the Flyers do that either with how much Sanhiem has seemed to improve this year. In both cases they take on almost $2M in cap to get a younger player but one who struggles in his own zone and has injuries.

Yeah I just tried to spitball it when I mentioned a guy like Cozens.Other players I could see being available for Norris: Kyrou, Terry. Personally, I expect him to develop into a #1C. I think his lower production is mostly a result of missing most of last year.

If anything then Ottawa would probably be more interested in a guy like Kadri, Tanev, or Coleman that have shown they can help kids improve on their line. I don't know if Huberdeau or Weegar fit that role.

[Erick Estrada]

I have to think the Sabres are going to change up coaches before they start making big roster changes.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I don't see Ottawa going for that blockbuster. You're overvaluing Weegar IMO. The OTT players are younger, and their contracts capture the prime of their career. I still think other teams would see Norris as a #1b C, and Chabot as a #2D that's often injured.

That's why I can see OTT getting younger assets back. Perhaps something like Cozens for Norris, Sanheim/Weegar for Chabot + 2nd to change the mix.

You aren't getting Cozens for Norris.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It's interesting that Markstrom has gone from an untradeable asset to a player when traded on his own for a 1st and 2nd is rejected by fans!

(not attacking you Sofa, just pointing out the change in his value on the site in four months)

Just be honest and tell him no goalie has been traded for a 1st for a long time and Markstrom is not special

[CliffFletcher]

I’d be shocked if the Flames move anyone besides the pending UFAs.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I’d be shocked if the Flames move anyone besides the pending UFAs.

And I'd be shocked if they moved 3/3.

I'll even be mildly surprised if they move 2/3.

Starting to get the impression it will just be Lindholm if they keep themselves in the wildcard race, and you're probably looking at a roster forward coming back with a pick to help support their "now" aspirations.

Too many of the guys upstairs talking in Conroy's ear are still entrenched in the old mentality that's kept them in the middle for 30 years.

And we don't have guys like Snowy around to help them see the light.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Markstrom didn't look like an upgrade on Vladar last year. This year he looks like a top 5 goalie in the league. This has more to do with the volatility of the position than anything IMO.

Markstrom went from a .922 goalie to an .892 goalie on one of the supposedly best teams defensively(analytics). Now he's back to his career average of .908, which seems low but he's playing at the same level he did 2 years ago.

The same applies to Huberdeau. If he puts up 100 points he's an asset, if he puts up 40-50 points then he's signed to one of the worst contacts in the league.

Right ...

But the "Markstrom sucks and you'd have to pay someone to take him" argument that we saw for months should also have had that volatility factor in their assessment, which they did not.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Just be honest and tell him no goalie has been traded for a 1st for a long time and Markstrom is not special

Even that is a move for you right?

Untradeable asset right?

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

And I'd be shocked if they moved 3/3.

I'll even be mildly surprised if they move 2/3.

Starting to get the impression it will just be Lindholm if they keep themselves in the wildcard race, and you're probably looking at a roster forward coming back with a pick to help support their "now" aspirations.

Too many of the guys upstairs talking in Conroy's ear are still entrenched in the old mentality that's kept them in the middle for 30 years.

And we don't have guys like Snowy around to help them see the light.

I agree. If two of Lindholm, Tanev, and Hanifin are moved, I will be surprised.
However, to be fair, Zadorov, a pending UFA, has moved, and so has Toffoli.
So really, we’re already at 2/5.

[FlamesAddiction]

I just can't see anyone taking Markstrom. He has been ok this season so far, but it's not like he has been amazing. He has worked his way out of being a scapegoat, but I doubt any team sees him as moving the needle a great deal either. Not to mention, his last playoff performance is likely still on the minds of a lot of GMs.

Add to that he still has a couple of years left after this one. If a team wants him and the Flames retain cap, maybe they take him, but I doubt we'd get much if anything in return.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

4/5 (minimum) should absolutely be traded though.

The 1 being Hanifin, who would in that case be extended.

There's absolutely no reason to have any of these guys ride out the year and expire here.

Tanev seems to like Calgary and I'd say chances are 50/50 or better that you can trade him and still bring him back in the summer. So he should still get moved.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1744057758951891327

[bluejays]

I still personally think Markstrom sucks and isn’t worth what he’s paid. Further if you’re a team relying on him to take you deep and steal a series I think you’re in for a surprise. His improvement this year is slightly better than last year, so that’s good to see. If a sucker wants him good. He’s a broken guy on this team though. If he improves elsewhere, great. If someone gives up a first it’d be the steal of the century.

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I just can't see anyone taking Markstrom. He has been ok this season so far, but it's not like he has been amazing. He has worked his way out of being a scapegoat, but I doubt any team sees him as moving the needle a great deal either. Not to mention, his last playoff performance is likely still on the minds of a lot of GMs.

Add to that he still has a couple of years left after this one. If a team wants him and the Flames retain cap, maybe they take him, but I doubt we'd get much if anything in return.

Markstrom has been really good this year, take a look at his advanced stats https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm. He has been doing even better since coming back from his injury and has .92% sv percentage in his last 10 games.


It took Flames ~20 games to figure out how to play under the new system and it shows in Markstroms stats. Team will most definitely give up a good amount get Markstrom, especially if there is any retention. A lot of playoff team or supposed playoff teams goaltending has been very poor this season. Markstorm is also known as a goalie who does better under system that face a lot of shots, aka a lot of teams in the East. Sure he has a bad series against the Oilers but other than that he was amazing in 3/4 of the other series. He proved that he is back at least for this season and teams need that

[genetic_phreek]

To CGY
Zegras

To ANA
Mangiapane
Vladar
2025 2nd rd pick (CGY)
2026 3rd rd pick (VAN)

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I just can't see anyone taking Markstrom. He has been ok this season so far, but it's not like he has been amazing. He has worked his way out of being a scapegoat, but I doubt any team sees him as moving the needle a great deal either. Not to mention, his last playoff performance is likely still on the minds of a lot of GMs.

Add to that he still has a couple of years left after this one. If a team wants him and the Flames retain cap, maybe they take him, but I doubt we'd get much if anything in return.

He's moved into the top ten on the public web sites for goals saved above average, is number one on some private data lists, and those lists mention him as a Vezina candidate.

So I'd say teams see him as moving the needle.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I still personally think Markstrom sucks and isn’t worth what he’s paid. Further if you’re a team relying on him to take you deep and steal a series I think you’re in for a surprise. His improvement this year is slightly better than last year, so that’s good to see. If a sucker wants him good. He’s a broken guy on this team though. If he improves elsewhere, great. If someone gives up a first it’d be the steal of the century.

So you have a strong bias and you're unwilling to take in competing information.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

This year and 2021-22 Markstrom have absolutely been full value.

2.68 and .908 behind this team's complete lack of d-zone structure and unforced giveaways is downright impressive.

Just take the third period of last game as a microcosm of what Jacob has to deal with here.. you had a 2 on 0 and Andersson's giveaway up the middle to shut down just in order to backstop that comeback. This team does NOT make it easy on its goalies.

It's even measurably worse than last year.

[butterfly]

Let's just hope that 24 games has changed the entire league's perspective on Markstrom. I would love it.