2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CFO

Flames should be focused on signing hanafin.

Extend Noah?

Nah.

Trade him, get the futures.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1744464964461740400

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by RobotTalk

Not to derail, but he was the King in the North, ergo King Stark and not Lord Stark, when he did that.

You’ll go far.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Extend Noah?

Nah.

Trade him, get the futures.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1744464964461740400

For those charts d-men tend to have less voliatiliy in how big of swings you see, so for Hanifin it's actually showing pretty consistent positve impact that's probably actually worth close to $7M

If the return is soft they should be extending him IMO.

He's more valuable than a late 1st and B prospect.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

For those charts d-men tend to have less voliatiliy in how big of swings you see, so for Hanifin it's actually showing pretty consistent positve impact that's probably actually worth close to $7M

If the return is soft they should be extending him IMO.

He's more valuable than a late 1st and B prospect.

Dom's player cards on the athletic show Hanifin's approximate value at $5.9M. Which is the same as Weegar, and $0.2M more than Andersson.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

For those charts d-men tend to have less voliatiliy in how big of swings you see, so for Hanifin it's actually showing pretty consistent positve impact that's probably actually worth close to $7M

If the return is soft they should be extending him IMO.

He's more valuable than a late 1st and B prospect.

The value of trading Hanifin isn’t just in the return. His absence will help maximize the value of the Flames own picks as well.

Re-signing Hanifin just keeps the Flames in a “steady as she goes” phase. I just don’t want that, and neither should the team. Take the 1st and the “B” prospect, and move on.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Dom's player cards on the athletic show Hanifin's approximate value at $5.9M. Which is the same as Weegar, and $0.2M more than Andersson.

and Weegar is worth more than that easily

Hanifin is a win-win

sign or trade is good unless its something ridiculous

the others need to be traded


not sure what that guy is on about...the very top end dman will make 9,10,11M+ especially starting next season and beyond

Hanifin is a 7.5 range all day long...here or elsewhere, you can set your watch to it

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Or… what if we didn’t do that, and instead got our own 18 year old franchise players at the top of the draft like every single Stanley cup champion since 2009, save for the best-run organization in hockey.

If the flames want to contend again I agree 100% that this is the necessary road forward, teams don't move core pieces that cup contenders are built around unless it's much later in the game and the salary is inflated or there are other issues.

Keep the team semi-respectable and don't go full oilers but collect picks where you can and try to get a couple top 10 picks in key positions to build around. Seems like toughest piece to add and biggest need is a dynamic scorer who can drive play, just hasn't been replaced since Johnny and Tkachuk left and nobody in the system like that - would be even better if this time around the team is built around a center.

This draft is deep in dmen and seems like Demidov, Eiserman and Celebrini are the clear cut top 3 forwards - lot of hockey to be played but looks likely those 3 may be out of reach. Seems like Catton or Lindstrom are the two forwards in the next tier who might possibly be there when the flames pick barring a major change in fortune which at this point would also look pretty good to me, both centers and look like potential core pieces if their development continues.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Dom's player cards on the athletic show Hanifin's approximate value at $5.9M. Which is the same as Weegar, and $0.2M more than Andersson.

Let's be honest here. If Market value is say $6 million, then a small market Canadian team like the Flames probably has to pay more especially to secure an American born player long term. I have really come around to like Blake Coleman but the only reason he's a Flame is because they offered more money/term than the rest of the league.

[keenan87]

Trade Coleman while his value is high. That's how bad teams work - next year, there will be a diferent middle six guy who will be leading the team in scoring.. trade them too.

The last time Coleman had 20 goals on a crappy team, he returned a 1st + Prospect.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Trade Coleman while his value is high. That's how bad teams work - next year, there will be a diferent middle six guy who will be leading the team in scoring.. trade them too.

The last time Coleman had 20 goals on a crappy team, he returned a 1st + Prospect.

Sure. If you can get a 1st back do it but when he returned that he was on a steal or a contract. I’d bet he would get a third or something now.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The value of trading Hanifin isn’t just in the return. His absence will help maximize the value of the Flames own picks as well.

Re-signing Hanifin just keeps the Flames in a “steady as she goes” phase. I just don’t want that, and neither should the team. Take the 1st and the “B” prospect, and move on.

It's not going to lift it that much - Flames have the 8th worst record right now. At best they can probably drop to the 6th worst record, maybe the 5th.

I don't think that's a big enough deal to not get maximum value out of the player asset that is Hanifin. Especially since the lottery odds don't change drastically. 6.0% where they are vs 8.5% if they dropped to 5th worst

Keeping the good younger players and drafting well around them is how you prevent it from Being a failed rebuild.

People still complain about the Iginla and Bouwmeester returns but seemingly want to do the same thing "Just trade them for a 1st and a B Prospect"

[CliffFletcher]

If the Flames move all three pending UFAs, that’s three important roster spots to fill next season. Moving Coleman would create another big hole.

I know people are excited for a youth movement. But we’re not going into next season with 6+ players on the roster with less than 3 years of NHL experience. Only teams undergoing burn-it-to-the-ground rebuilds do that. And there’s no reason to believe the Flames braintrust are interested in a full rebuild.

[rotten42]

I love this thread....."
Trade everybody of value over 25". So now we can be like previous Oiler teams where they have all young talent that has nobody to mentor them so they end up in perpetual suckiness.

[Flames1217]

Having a young forward corps and a more experienced d-corps isn't a bad thing.

Defenseman tend to take longer to develop and getting one of Noah's caliber is pretty unlikely unless you're drafting high up in the draft.

Keep him and trade the other UFAs for young forwards and hope for the best.

[Saqe]

I'm not sure Hanifin should get much more than what Weegar does. He's younger though so that might entice teams to give him a bigger deal. But I don't think he's a better defender.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Hmmm...opens up an interesting debate option. If his pts / 60 are so good, then has he not been getting enough minutes and situations from the coaches. Because ultimately the past 3yrs we're paying $4.9m AAV for 30 something points a season. If he's also preventing 20+ goals a season over an average player in the same spot then he's paid what he's worth, but I don't see that in the statistics.

Also when you said alter a young players path...I read that as blocking a spot, not "teaching them how to be a pro".

I think everyone is going to assign value differently.

My guess is a productive third line forward with leadership qualities and a key role on special teams has more value than just "30 points" but I'm not going to pretend to know where that is.

Guessing NHL coaches have that value pretty high though.

Guy was talked about as their all star rep though so he's not just some stiff on the third line getting over paid.

[Royle9]

Much like Gio coming off his Norris win, Coleman's value will never be higher than right now.

Not saying we SHOULD trade him, but if someone is willing to give you a 1st + you have to seriously consider it. Huberdeau, Weegar, Kadri. Backlund - These guys can mentor.

[Roof-Daddy]

Look at the state of this team, IMO you need to look 5 years ahead as the time frame for when they might actually be good enough to be a legit cup contender.

So look at the current roster and add 5 years to each player and ask yourself if they will still be here at that time and actually contributing anything of value. If the answer is no to either of those questions then that player should be traded if you can get draft picks for them.

The more draft picks the Flames can accumulate for the next three drafts, the higher chance that they will hit on some of them and end up with a player who will be here in 5 years, and who will be contributing value.

Currently the Flames have 20 draft picks over the next three drafts. The league gave them 21. That is not nearly enough IMO.

[Roof-Daddy]

Imagine having a capped out team, that has the 10th oldest roster, the 9th worst point percentage and wanting to keep anyone that is older than 25.

Obviously you can't trade them all away, some are unmovable, some wouldn't be willing to move, there is still a salary floor to hit and there may be a few players older than 25 that will actually still be useful in 5 years time.

But man, the Flames neeeeeeeeed to stockpile draft picks for multiple years. That is their only chance at finally building a legit and sustainable contending team.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Imagine having a capped out team, that has the 10th oldest roster, the 9th worst point percentage and wanting to keep anyone that is older than 25.

Obviously you can't trade them all away, some are unmovable, some wouldn't be willing to move, there is still a salary floor to hit and there may be a few players older than 25 that will actually still be useful in 5 years time.

But man, the Flames neeeeeeeeed to stockpile draft picks for multiple years. That is their only chance at finally building a legit and sustainable contending team.

I’d trade Kadri, Huberdeau, and Markstrom easily. Huberdeau can’t be moved. I highly doubt there is contender that will take Kadri. Markstrom apparently won’t waive according to the OJ.

The only guy on a long term contract that can probably be moved is Weegar.