[PGT] Flyers 3 Flames 2

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Locke

I said it in the Game Thread...where the Hell was this guy last year??

I'm pissed that they tossed away an amazing performance from Markstrom, but I'm thrilled that he looks like old Markstrom!

Where the Hell has this guy been?

The problem is now he will prevent us from bottoming out.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

How can you have betting in sports when you have inconsistent reffing like this? I don't bet but it adds so much randomness to games.

It is also makes you wonder how many officials have someone putting wagers on games they work. It's not like it hasn't happened in other leagues before. I am not saying it is happening but I would not be shocked.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, but Conroy and crew I believe are (hopefully) resetting goals/expectations. So lip service being what it is, at the end of the day it shouldn't be about being a "playoff team", that's not a high enough bar.

We know Conroy is actively working on trading away a number of pending UFAs. The team is operating with a bigger picture view (yes!), so I think we should be happy with where things are/trending. So I think you have to park the lip service and acknowledge it for what it is - ensuring management doesn't allow a lazy atmosphere to set in within the locker room.

Positives this year? The youth being further along that most of us expected. Work ethic is on-point, and there are positives coming from some of the veterans (Huby slowly putting it together, Marky's bounce back, Naz being great, Coleman legitimately taking a step forward).

What's happening right now is just...fine. I hope the team locks in their own 1st as a top-10 pick after the UFAs are traded. Add that top-10 pick to the returns for the UFA and things begin to start looking brighter.

Not sure why it bothers me, but if they just came it and said we are rebuilding it would piss me off less.

Hey are either incompetent at judging where the team is at or lying to their customers.

Just be honest.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Not sure why it bothers me, but if they just came it and said we are rebuilding it would piss me off less.

Hey are either incompetent at judging where the team is at or lying to their customers.

Just be honest.

I agree, and the way they handled the off-season is why I canceled my season tickets.

I hope that their actions speak louder than words in the coming weeks.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Total trap game.

1) last game of a road trip
2) just had a very spirited affair, now play a bottom-feeder
3) Chicago has had their number lately, and played well against them.

I expect the Flames to have a flat game tomorrow

I’ll be honest. I think the Flames are going to destroy them.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is also makes you wonder how many officials have someone putting wagers on games they work. It's not like it hasn't happened in other leagues before. I am not saying it is happening but I would not be shocked.

I would be shocked if officials are placing bets on games they are referring.

[Goriders]

Zary had a rough game. Aside from the penalty he didn’t have his best stuff.

That would have been a good game to have Gilbert. I think he enjoys the rough stuff.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Total trap game.

1) last game of a road trip
2) just had a very spirited affair, now play a bottom-feeder
3) Chicago has had their number lately, and played well against them.

I expect the Flames to have a flat game tomorrow

They would have to be very flat. With the Hawks missing arguably their best 8 players, it should should be the Flames easiest game of the year.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I also think that the Flames are going to come out of the gate hard against Chicago.



They have been playing well consistently. I think the penalties took most of the energy out of the Flames this afternoon, as well as the rough stuff too. I think the Flames enter that Chicago game pissed off more than anything.

[FlamesDraftPrognosticator]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I would be shocked if officials are placing bets on games they are referring.

I wouldn’t be shocked, as mentioned by others above it’s happened in other sports already. You might recall this from a couple years ago where former referee Tim Peel was fired for getting caught on mic saying he was evening up the calls.

https://apnews.com/article/nhl-ref-f...4d2ccb0919de67

[Cali Panthers Fan]

One of the few times this year I didn't like their effort. Markstrom nearly stole a point for them. His teammates owe him a steak dinner for that game.

On to the next one. Try not to lose two in a row.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesDraftPrognosticator

I wouldn’t be shocked, as mentioned by others above it’s happened in other sports already. You might recall this from a couple years ago where former referee Tim Peel was fired for getting caught on mic saying he was evening up the calls.

https://apnews.com/article/nhl-ref-f...4d2ccb0919de67

There was no suggestion he was doing it for money.

[puffnstuff]

If I was tasked with investigating whether there was suspect calls made in furtherance of a gambling issue, this game would be on the list of ones to look at.
Or it was just incompetence.

[Barnet Flame]

You can’t beat the refs every night.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

If Sutter got this version of Markstrom the Flames would have easily been a playoff team. The team played a much better overall game last year, but couldn't get a save.

The team said their goal is to make the playoffs, so if we take that at face value Huska is not the right guy for the job.

Why didn't Sutter get this Markstrom? Do coaches have no responsibility for the goalies? In my view, they coach and are responsible for the whole team under their guidance.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Is there actual data to support this or is this more one of those feelings, similar to every goalie wins their first NHL game against the Flames?

Small sample size, but the Flames are 0-3 in eastern afternoon games so far this season (Philly, NJ, and Detroit), and over the years, it does seem like western team don't do so well in them. Maybe if I have time, I will look at previous years for the Flames, but I won't do every team because that would be too much work.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Why didn't Sutter get this Markstrom? Do coaches have no responsibility for the goalies? In my view, they coach and are responsible for the whole team under their guidance.

I mean...this is a double-edged sword.

I think it goes without saying that 2021-22 Markstrom played like a bag of ass.

I believe he was literally the worst starting goaltender in the NHL?

We can blame coaching, but he also couldnt stop a beach ball.

It was a giant s### sandwich. Everyone has to take a bite.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I also think that the Flames are going to come out of the gate hard against Chicago..

I would think so but, then again, I thought they were going to come out strong in the third today after a poor sexond.

Yes, the officials were (very) bad today but this was one of this teams poorest efforts of late, IMO.

[browna]

Originally Posted by flambers

Sorry, but that's a call they will make every time

Could it have been 2 minutes, sure.

However its a call.

It should've been 2.

And I agree, it wouldn't have been a call at all if that guy didnt try to avoid a hit to the extent he did.

By trying to avoid a hit by stopping and turning, his leg buckled and between that and ducking, Lindholm's shoulder to shoulder hit turns into a shoulder to head hit along the dasher.

It's a pretty standard play for guys to dump it in and know they are going to take a hit and absorb it, not get away from it.

From there, the instigator was called correct and sure, fighting I guess...but an extra 2 for Lindholm for.... roughing?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Why didn't Sutter get this Markstrom? Do coaches have no responsibility for the goalies? In my view, they coach and are responsible for the whole team under their guidance.

Markstrom has been up and down in Calgary with multiple coaches. I think Sutter's system makes goalies look good for the most part. Markstrom was pretty terrible last year, and I'm not sure you can lay that at Sutter's feet. Although we weren't in the room, so it's possible Sutter treated him very poorly.