2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[flylock shox]

The Flames were dealt a crummy hand with Gaudreau and Tkachuk leaving. They went all-in on the next hand, and didn't even hit a pair. It's probably the rock bottom they needed to realize they have a problem with how they've been playing the game.



With the contracts they have on the books, there's really no way to avoid a rebuild now, which is likely what they needed from the moment the wheels went up on Tkachuk's plane out of YYC.


Hopefully they have some good luck in the draft...

[stemit14]

Really hope Tanev is ok. Would hate to see a valuable asset out for long. Been thinking more and more about just wanting some draft picks out of trades this year. Would be great to get some decent prospects too but quality draft capital would be ideal. It’s just so rare for teams to give up sure-fire A-level prospects for rentals so I really think focusing on draft picks is the best move. If the flames come away with 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, and 2 third round picks in exchange for Hanifin, Lindholm and Tanev… I‘ll be happy. I keep thinking we’re going to get more in return in the trades the flames have been making so I won’t hold my breath for much more than that. Finish out the season post-TDL with something like this (hoping Kylington returns):

Zary-Kadri-Posposil/Coronato
Huberdeau-Backlund-Coleman
Mangiapane-Sharangovich-Posposil/Coronato
Dube-Ruzicka-Greer/Duehr

Weegar-Soloviov
Kylington-Andersson
Gilbert-Poirier (if healthy)

Cycle in some guys from the farm for the rest of the season (eg. Klapka). Give them a taste of what the NHL regular season is like. It’s also very possible teams will send back a contract or two to the flames in a trade to make the cap work so those guys might take a roster spot from above. Either way… take the opportunity to give young guys minutes - and make it decent minutes to have an opportunity to succeed.

The coaching staff have been protecting Zary a little by not putting him out there in the last few minutes of games which can be a good thing for young players… but I would like to see them put him into more of those kind of situations to get him used to closing out a game with a lead. I know the coaches are just putting the guys out there to win but, most of the time, Zary has looked very capable defensively (with tonight’s game against the Avs being an exception). Maybe give him some games at center as well… that’s what he was drafted and developed so far to be.

Finish with a high first round pick (top five ideally), pick twice in the 20-32nd overall range (hopefully get yourself Tij Iginla with one of those), and then pick 3 times in the 2nd round (take some big swings with those ones - high risk/high reward guys).

[NewFan]

Give Tanev a lots time to heal and get ready. He needs to be healthy to bring a good return. I hope we trade him to a contender that he has his chance to win the cup.
And I hope Conroy also study a market for Coleman, Kadri and Weegar. Sure they have a term but they are still good players who has a role for a contending team. May be we can get a good return for them.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Give Tanev a lots time to heal and get ready. He needs to be healthy to bring a good return. I hope we trade him to a contender that he has his chance to win the cup.
And I hope Conroy also study a market for Coleman, Kadri and Weegar. Sure they have a term but they are still good players who has a role for a contending team. May be we can get a good return for them.

How about we worry about trading Lindholm and Hanifin first? If those two are the only two people we trade you do it.

Have zero interest trading the best players on our team right now. Eventually Kadri will likely ask for a trade out but as of right now he is the best center we've got.

As for Tanev I am having a hard time seeing him valued over a 2nd round pick if he continues to get injured. He's a warrior, I just fear a team is going to throw some dumb condition on the pick based on GP.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

How about we worry about trading Lindholm and Hanifin first? If those two are the only two people we trade you do it.

Have zero interest trading the best players on our team right now. Eventually Kadri will likely ask for a trade out but as of right now he is the best center we've got.

As for Tanev I am having a hard time seeing him valued over a 2nd round pick if he continues to get injured. He's a warrior, I just fear a team is going to throw some dumb condition on the pick based on GP.

If anyone wants Kadri then you make it happen. Zero point in holding onto him.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If anyone wants Kadri then you make it happen. Zero point in holding onto him.

Until his term is lowered, I doubt anyone asks. Maybe the Avs call but any trade involving Kadri better not involve retention.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Until his term is lowered, I doubt anyone asks. Maybe the Avs call but any trade involving Kadri better not involve retention.

Why not?

We’ve carried dead cap like every season possible under Treliving for buyouts.

If you can extract some value, I’d easily eat $1.5M. Kadri at $5.5M, with how he’s playing? I think you pull a 1st.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Why not?

We’ve carried dead cap like every season possible under Treliving for buyouts.

If you can extract some value, I’d easily eat $1.5M. Kadri at $5.5M, with how he’s playing? I think you pull a 1st.

And we didn't have cap to re-sign Tkachuk with Treliving as GM. I am doing everything within my power to not retain on Kadri's contract. Take a bad contract with less term. Or, take on a bad contract than you can buy out while taking a 1st as you suggested.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It also wouldn’t hurt if the dude could actually carry the puck with any speed/ability to hold onto the puck

It also wouldn’t hurt if he stopped passing the puck to players on the other team.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

And we didn't have cap to re-sign Tkachuk with Treliving as GM. I am doing everything within my power to not retain on Kadri's contract. Take a bad contract with less term. Or, take on a bad contract than you can buy out while taking a 1st as you suggested.

That was because Treliving decided to prioritize bad UFA signings like Neal and Brouwer over Tkachuk. If the option is retain 1.5 million or keep Kadri's full contract then you retain or else that contract might stop you from signing someone if he is still hitting the cap at 7 million. If you can take a bad contract that is shorter that would be ideal.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

And we didn't have cap to re-sign Tkachuk with Treliving as GM. I am doing everything within my power to not retain on Kadri's contract. Take a bad contract with less term. Or, take on a bad contract than you can buy out while taking a 1st as you suggested.

No, we didn't have cap because we had Milan Lucic and Michael Frolik on the books - $10M in salary committed to depth players who were no good by that time.

The lesson is not to sign inflated free agent contracts.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That was because Treliving decided to prioritize bad UFA signings like Neal and Brouwer over Tkachuk. If the option is retain 1.5 million or keep Kadri's full contract then you retain or else that contract might stop you from signing someone if he is still hitting the cap at 7 million. If you can take a bad contract that is shorter that would be ideal.

Let's name a time when the Flames have retained in the past decade... Can't find one. I agree that's what should happen but like I said I'd rather take on a bad contract with the same cap hit with less term, then free up 7m of cap for however many years we saved.

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No, we didn't have cap because we had Milan Lucic and Michael Frolik on the books - $10M in salary committed to depth players who were no good by that time.

The lesson is not to sign inflated free agent contracts.

And the GM before Conroy has already signed those contracts and we have to work through them. Kadri isn't going to raise his value elsewhere, he is going to here with the ice time he is getting. With how this team is rolling, could definitely see Kadri traded as soon as the upcoming offseason, but I think someone would take him at the 2025 TDL. If we have't retained by then it's not a bad time to do it then with less term. I'm just not a fan of retaining on a player that is over 5+ seasons on a deal. I guess the cap increase nullifies any retention.

Regardless, my reply to the poster was to keep Weegar and Coleman. People want a scorched rebuild but we still need solid vets to hang around.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

The Flames were dealt a crummy hand with Gaudreau and Tkachuk leaving. They went all-in on the next hand, and didn't even hit a pair. It's probably the rock bottom they needed to realize they have a problem with how they've been playing the game.



With the contracts they have on the books, there's really no way to avoid a rebuild now, which is likely what they needed from the moment the wheels went up on Tkachuk's plane out of YYC.


Hopefully they have some good luck in the draft...

I think Weegar was a good pick up. But Huberdeau is going to be a boat anchor on the organization for a long time. I get the trading the UFAs narrative. But something has to be done about his contract.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Let's name a time when the Flames have retained in the past decade..
With how this team is rolling, could definitely see Kadri traded as soon as the upcoming offseason, but I think someone would take him at the 2025 TDL.
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Rittich is the only one. Maybe there will be a bit of change this go around hopefully we will. Nah, Kadri is a contract where you got to hit it while you can. The ability to move his contract will only decrease with time.


On another note
https://theathletic.com/5119079/2023...ffoli-playoffs
Toffoli confirms he wanted to stay and he liked Calgary and Conroy said sayonara. That gives me hope that Conroy won't do anything dumb with UFAs

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I think Weegar was a good pick up. But Huberdeau is going to be a boat anchor on the organization for a long time. I get the trading the UFAs narrative. But something has to be done about his contract.

Why does something have to be done?
The team isn't going to be in position to compete for a number of years.
I don't think cap space is going to be an issue for the next 5/6 years.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Rittich is the only one. Maybe there will be a bit of change this go around hopefully we will.

I can't imagine that Conroy would be so public about keeping those retention spots open, if he didn't have at least some idea that he will be allowed to use them.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I think Weegar was a good pick up. But Huberdeau is going to be a boat anchor on the organization for a long time. I get the trading the UFAs narrative. But something has to be done about his contract.

There is nothing to do with that contract. There isn't a reasonable amount of retention where someone would take him today. I think the best hope is that they play him a tonne of minutes and starts clicking at some point and then they can flip him for some shorter but equally terrible contracts. Oilers wouldn't even trade Nurse for him right now.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The lesson is not to sign inflated free agent contracts.

All free agent contracts are inflated. If you don’t want to overpay for them, then you need the discipline to stay out the UFA market altogether. And if you choose to stay out of the UFA market altogether, you better have an excellent pipeline of prospects every year.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

All free agent contracts are inflated. If you don’t want to overpay for them, then you need the discipline to stay out the UFA market altogether. And if you choose to stay out of the UFA market altogether, you better have an excellent pipeline of prospects every year.

If the Flames were in a spot where players wanted to sign here then the UFA market might be okay but they have to overpay for players like Neal and Brouwer. They won’t ever be on the list for high end UFAs and should only sign depth guys.
Players they drafted are different and can be handled on a case by case basis

[SuperMatt18]

If Kadri was going to the Avs I think Girard would have been part of the package the other way.

Hopefully he gets things sorted though via the player assistance fund, but it would have been the perfect "bad" contract coming back the other way that also actually filled a need on the Flames.