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Old 12-05-2023, 05:32 PM   #541
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It's fun to get invested in these things. At the end of the day it's just sports. The fact that Shohei Ohtani and the Blue Jays are being used in the same sentence is wild. Does the Dodgers make the most sense for him? Of course. But whatever, it's fun to dream!
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Old 12-05-2023, 05:33 PM   #542
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Well I’ve let my hopes get up despite knowing all along there is a 99% chance we are just being used as a pawn.
Yeah, i figured it was the Dodgers all along. There was always going to be other teams involved for the player to properly negotiate a mega deal.

LA makes too much sense for the player, team and league.
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Old 12-05-2023, 06:29 PM   #543
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Honestly, I said at the start that I can't see him taking the Dodgers and betraying the Angels. I could still see him being loyal to the Angels and staying there though I don't know the ownership situation. I still say San Francisco. As a big guy he'd look great in that uniform since Bonds retired. Hopefully there's no smoke with Wells' tweet.
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Old 12-05-2023, 07:01 PM   #544
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Also, as fun and anxious this is as fans, I don't understand it from Ohtani's perspective. For a guy who is fine with avoiding attention, surely each club already has their best offers on the table. You know what's in front of you. Why wouldn't he make a decision? Anyway, my revised odds:

Angels 35% - I think he stays loyal to them if they match what's the best offer out there
Giants 25% - as stated above
Jays 25% - as a fan. lol
Dodgers 15% - I simply can't see him betraying the Angels now
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Old 12-05-2023, 07:03 PM   #545
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Why the hell would he sign with the Angels?
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Old 12-05-2023, 07:06 PM   #546
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I wouldn’t see joining the Dodgers as a betrayal of the Angels. The Angels are a poorly run organization and only tried to win last season as a last ditch effort to keep Ohtani.

The Angels probably have less than a 1% chance of keeping him.
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Old 12-05-2023, 07:09 PM   #547
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The Angels have no future. If he signs with them, it’s purely out of comfort and not a desire to win.

If desire to win is his prime motivator, he’ll sign with the Dodgers.

The Jays are a very well rounded candidate though for many reasons
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Old 12-05-2023, 07:13 PM   #548
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Honestly, I can see a dark horse coming in, such as Atlanta. Imagine AA after that.

But yeah the excitement is indisputable and growing. I think the Dodgers are still front runners Roberts' slip up nothwithstanding.

Jays are going all out, and for all teams it's probably past the money, and Ohtani is not driven by money. ($560 million or $600, who cares), so all teams are going all out. He has a army of personal trainers already and probably other people around him to enhance his career and life, so each team has to cater to that. And he's a private, unconventional guy, so it really has to be an intangibles fit for him personally, wherever.

I still put the Jays at 20% chance, but to even be in the mix at a late stage is cool. But it goes past the "wanting to make the team better" as it is for probably most of the US teams, this would be bigger than that off the field if it was Toronto. It's a once in a long time acquisition that goes past baseball for Rogers.
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Why the hell would he sign with the Angels?

Loyalty. They didn't trade him at the deadline. Friends with Trout as well. They're a poorly run organization from the decisions they made but not close to a treat-your-players bad (IFAIK). I think they're a darkhorse personally and logically so much makes sense if they're kept around this long. If they didn't have a chance he'd have punted them already.
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Old 12-05-2023, 07:23 PM   #550
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Loyalty. They didn't trade him at the deadline. Friends with Trout as well. They're a poorly run organization from the decisions they made but not close to a treat-your-players bad (IFAIK). I think they're a darkhorse personally and logically so much makes sense if they're kept around this long. If they didn't have a chance he'd have punted them already.
I feel like the opposite is true. If he was loyal and that mattered to him at all he would have already signed his extension with them without going into free agency.
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Old 12-05-2023, 07:24 PM   #551
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Loyalty. They didn't trade him at the deadline. Friends with Trout as well. They're a poorly run organization from the decisions they made but not close to a treat-your-players bad (IFAIK). I think they're a darkhorse personally and logically so much makes sense if they're kept around this long. If they didn't have a chance he'd have punted them already.
Dude. Do you do any research when you make these takes?

They are a junk franchise run by a moron. He has no reason to be loyal to them. https://www.si.com/mlb/angels/news/a...reno-is-ml0802

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/pl...r-eat-the-rich

https://crashingthepearlygates.com/2...bject-failure/
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Loyalty. They didn't trade him at the deadline. Friends with Trout as well. They're a poorly run organization from the decisions they made but not close to a treat-your-players bad (IFAIK). I think they're a darkhorse personally and logically so much makes sense if they're kept around this long. If they didn't have a chance he'd have punted them already.
The only way the Angels sign him is if they forge his signature
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One more thing to add is the Angels 200ish million/year TV contract is in bankruptcy hearings, and will likely not survive past this year.

I imagine Ohtani's agent is happy to keep Angels as a short term option alive. They can sell that as he doesn't have to take a big deal now, but can let the Angels pay him 80 million over a couple years with an opt out to rehab his pitching arm and go for the real mega deal if it's not going to be out there this year.

It seems 500+ is out there from all the accounts, so the Angels angle is nothing but a leverage play.
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Dude. Do you do any research when you make these takes?

They are a junk franchise run by a moron. He has no reason to be loyal to them. https://www.si.com/mlb/angels/news/a...reno-is-ml0802

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/pl...r-eat-the-rich

https://crashingthepearlygates.com/2...bject-failure/

I did say as far as I know. We'll see.
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Old 12-05-2023, 08:00 PM   #555
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While he's not on another team and we can still dare to dream, this is still the best highlight from last year.

CG shutout in game 1 and within the next 2h, hits 2 hr in the second half.

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The Angels gave up some of their best prospects to get Giolito and Reynaldo Lopez as a last ditch effort to appeal to Ohtani. They then lost a few games and waived almost a quarter of the roster to cut costs. They lost Giolito and Lopez plus Hunter Renfroe for nothing.

They are a Mickey Mouse organization…no pun intended.
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Old 12-05-2023, 08:06 PM   #557
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lol if Ohtani stayed with the Angels I would no longer feel bad for him.

There is loyalty, and then there is stupidity.
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Verdugo to the Yanks. That's an interesting move. May end up being an underrated move by NY. I hate the guy, but he gets on base and can be clutch.
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Old 12-05-2023, 09:04 PM   #559
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Verdugo to the Yanks. That's an interesting move. May end up being an underrated move by NY. I hate the guy, but he gets on base and can be clutch.
Jim Bowden speculating Verdugo will be part of the Soto package.
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