2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

him coming to Calgary as a prospect was the point

But your point doesn't make sense in the context of the conversation. Teams are more reluctant now than ever to trade away their prospects and young players who have shown promise. Especially for older UFAs.

[saillias]

Columbus is a situation where they were forced to replace their coach via circumstances outside of their control and now they are stuck with a really bad coach who they also should replace, but can't do it again in such a short period of time

[butterfly]

Who gets a better contract? Filip Hronek or Noah Hanifin?

Hronek age 26Y 26D 331 GP 32 G 147 A 179 P -75 rating 174 PIM. RFA ($4.4M cap hit)
This season: 22 GP 2 G 20 A 22 P +13 rating 12 PIM.

Hanifin age 26Y 308D 620 GP 53 G 196 A 249 P -18 rating 165 PIM. UFA ($4.95M cap hit)
This season: 22 GP 4 G 6 A 10 P +2 rating 2 PIM.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I get that, and it makes sense. Markstrom's contract makes him less virtually untradeable. I just mean the posts that suggest we need to get rid of Vladar even if it means trading him for nothing or putting him on waivers. There have been a few people suggesting that.

Wolf is a good prospect still, but you could probably bet that he will have occasional struggles and growing pains in the NHL. It's just the way goalie progression typically works most of the time.

The issue is that if you want to bring in Wolf it doesn't make sense to have Markstrom and Vladar on the team. At some point they need to let Wolf have a run in the NHL. They could gamble Vladar clears waivers and keep him in the AHL if they want to give Wolf a run this year.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The issue is that if you want to bring in Wolf it doesn't make sense to have Markstrom and Vladar on the team. At some point they need to let Wolf have a run in the NHL. They could gamble Vladar clears waivers and keep him in the AHL if they want to give Wolf a run this year.

I think Markstrom's contract largely is OK in terms of when Wolf would assume #1 duties.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Buff

I would love to get Cozens on the Flames. I just don't see Buffalo making him available. He's a part of their long term plans. Same with Thompson, those two are their building blocks at center.

Cozens isn't getting traded for anyone on the Flames roster. Before he had made the team there was talk around here about trying to trade Gaudreau for him. I do wonder how realistic that would have been if that offer had been made back then.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I still wonder about the possibility of getting Jack Quinn, although I worry about how his achilles injury will affect him going forward. Will that be an injury that keeps coming back?

They need to move some forwards eventually but I wonder if it's more they trade a guy like Mittledstadt to free up space for some of their guys coming up.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Who gets a better contract? Filip Hronek or Noah Hanifin?

Hronek age 26Y 26D 331 GP 32 G 147 A 179 P -75 rating 174 PIM. RFA ($4.4M cap hit)
This season: 22 GP 2 G 20 A 22 P +13 rating 12 PIM.

Hanifin age 26Y 308D 620 GP 53 G 196 A 249 P -18 rating 165 PIM. UFA ($4.95M cap hit)
This season: 22 GP 4 G 6 A 10 P +2 rating 2 PIM.

Hronek is having a huge year but I'm sure those numbers are inflated by the seasons Hughes, Miller, and Petterson are having. Tough call.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think Markstrom's contract largely is OK in terms of when Wolf would assume #1 duties.

For sure. I think it leaves Vladar as the odd man out unless they can get a good deal on Markstrom

[FlamesAddiction]

I guess I just don't see the need to be in a mad rush to get Wolf into the NHL full time this season just to play 15 to 20 games. I'd like to see him get called up occasionally and get a few games in, but not if he is just going to be sitting there. If Conroy can get a good offer on Vladar, then do it, but I don't think bringing in Wolf should mean throwing away another asset for nothing.

[Yeah_Baby]

And as a parent of a kid under the age of 1, with a NMC, I really don't think Marky would even entertain a trade

[CFO]

Flames trade 1 goalie (not named wolf), Lindholm, tanev and zadorov. They extend hanafin.

They will still be very competitive. And have some future assets (picks and young players).

Worse thing you can do is trade all and have no structure or quality mentors for youth (what's happening in Edmonton last 10 years)

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I guess I just don't see the need to be a mad rush to get Wolf into the NHL full time this season just to play 15 to 20 games. I'd like to see him get called up occasionally and get a few games in, but not if he is just going to be sitting there. If Conroy can get a good offer on Vladar, then do it, but I don't think bringing in Wolf should mean throwing away another asset for nothing.

A 2nd/3rd is about the max value Vladar will get. If they can get that and he isn't in the long term plans then trade him

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hackey

But your point doesn't make sense in the context of the conversation. Teams are more reluctant now than ever to trade away their prospects and young players who have shown promise. Especially for older UFAs.

Are they? Have you done a survey? You keep talking your position with nothing to back up any of your claims.

Anyway, I am done with this.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Who gets a better contract? Filip Hronek or Noah Hanifin?

Hronek age 26Y 26D 331 GP 32 G 147 A 179 P -75 rating 174 PIM. RFA ($4.4M cap hit)
This season: 22 GP 2 G 20 A 22 P +13 rating 12 PIM.

Hanifin age 26Y 308D 620 GP 53 G 196 A 249 P -18 rating 165 PIM. UFA ($4.95M cap hit)
This season: 22 GP 4 G 6 A 10 P +2 rating 2 PIM.

Anyone who thinks Hronek is better, simply because he is getting points this season because he is paired with Hughes, is crazy. I hope Van is crazy.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bonded

A 2nd/3rd is about the max value Vladar will get. If they can get that and he isn't in the long term plans then trade him

What if he is? If he continues to progress, it makes far more sense to trade Markstrom.

That is why they shouldn't rush it

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Anyone who thinks Hronek is better, simply because he is getting points this season because he is paired with Hughes, is crazy. I hope Van is crazy.

Hronek might be playing himself to a contract similar to Hanifin's. I'd take Hanifin over Hronek if the contracts are anywhere near similar

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What if he is? If he continues to progress, it makes far more sense to trade Markstrom.

That is why they shouldn't rush it

Then they need to find a taker for Markstrom. Either Vladar is gone next season or Markstrom is.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

And as a parent of a kid under the age of 1, with a NMC, I really don't think Marky would even entertain a trade

I wasn't even aware that kids that young could get a NMC.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bonded

A 2nd/3rd is about the max value Vladar will get. If they can get that and he isn't in the long term plans then trade him

That's fair. A 2nd/3rd isn't nothing and seems to be on par with the goalie market. Under the right circumstances, I could see a 2nd rounder or half-decent prospect being a fair return. I would hold out for a while still though to see if some teams start to get desperate (looking at Carolina who has goalie troubles, a bit of cap space, and two 2nd rounders in 2024). I believe Vladar has the potential to pop with another team if he gets more opportunity, similar to Adin Hill.