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[Burning Beard]

No way on Bouchard. He is sooooooo soft.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It costs $3.8M to have him in the minors. If you can get 3 unprotected 1sts, from a team that is no good, that is a slam dunk that you have to do.

And in a couple years, you buy him out.

Honestly if it was anybody but Edmonton I'd be more open to it.

But no chance should they be helping them get out of cap jail.

[Toonage]

Yeah no Oilers thanks.

First you have to break them of all the bad habits they've learned so that's an additional layer of work.

Then you have to worry about all the friends they have on their old team so they won't bring it against our biggest rival.

[Sandman]

I think Broberg would develop nicely in a different organization. He's got all the tools.

[iggyloob12]

Never trade with the Oilers. Never.

[ComixZone]

If Marky gets moved, I'd love to see it be to LA. Marky's game seems to be back with a vengeance.

Does retaining $3M on his deal with the Kings get us something like Turcotte + Copley + depth pick?

Kings with Markstrom in place adds another layer of defence for the next few years to help prevent the Oilers from finding any real success.

With Byfield finding his groove, Turcotte could be a pretty good trade chip for the Kings and fits what looks to be the goal of Conroy's youth push.

Flames can rock Copley and Vladar this season at the NHL, send Turcotte to the AHL.

Wolf + Coronato + Turcotte + everyone else down there...do the Wranglers get to push for a Calder Cup? Could Zary and Pelts find their way back there for that playoff rush? That'd be fun.

[SuperMatt18]

I'd take Bouchard in a heartbeat TBH.

He fills a huge hole on the PP, is a strong offensive puck mover, and honestly think a lot of his defensive issues could be ironed out in the right environment.

He's also being asked to play a bigger role in Edmonton than he should have as a top 2 dman. If you could shelter him a bit more on a second/third pairing he would be better too.

His underlying xGF stats are strong too, so he does move the puck in the right direction, just need to work out those big gaffes.

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If Marky gets moved, I'd love to see it be to LA. Marky's game seems to be back with a vengeance.

Does retaining $3M on his deal with the Kings get us something like Turcotte + Copley + depth pick?

Kings with Markstrom in place adds another layer of defence for the next few years to help prevent the Oilers from finding any real success.

With Byfield finding his groove, Turcotte could be a pretty good trade chip for the Kings and fits what looks to be the goal of Conroy's youth push.

Flames can rock Copley and Vladar this season at the NHL, send Turcotte to the AHL.

Wolf + Coronato + Turcotte + everyone else down there...do the Wranglers get to push for a Calder Cup? Could Zary and Pelts find their way back there for that playoff rush? That'd be fun.

If you're retaining $3M i'd want a lot more than Turcotte.

Turcotte is 4 years removed from the draft and never really lived up to his draft position.

His first NCAA season was pretty unremarkable. His AHL career numbers are pretty "meh" at 0.67 PPG. And hes one of only 3 players from the 2019 NHL Draft 1st round without a point in the NHL.

If he wasn't the 5th overall pick nobody would be pining to trade for him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Does retaining $3M on his deal with the Kings get us something like Turcotte + Copley + depth pick?

Turcotte is a decent prospect, but no longer elite.

Copley has no value.

Retaining $3M on Marky should get us more than that I would say.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

Never trade with the Oilers. Never.

Not even for their their unprotected 1st this season...? I would make an exception no questions asked. Why would we want them to draft a potential impact ELC player for the next 2-3 years at the top of the draft? That only helps their chances of scoring their way out of their problems next season. Screw that.
Take their picks and then when the big two leave Edmonton in the next few years after never achieving anything in the playoffs, they won't have impact players in the pipeline

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If you're retaining $3M i'd want a lot more than Turcotte.

Turcotte is 4 years removed from the draft and never really lived up to his draft position.

His first NCAA season was pretty unremarkable. His AHL career numbers are pretty "meh" at 0.67 PPG. And hes one of only 3 players from the 2019 NHL Draft 1st round without a point in the NHL.

If he wasn't the 5th overall pick nobody would be pining to trade for him.

I don't know, I'm looking at Turcotte and he's a PPG AHL player this season in what looks like will be his first full healthy season as a pro.

We have to remember - Markstrom has red flags around him as well. Turcotte could be an attempt at a home run.

Look at Byfield and Lafreniere this season. It takes time for healthy players to click - and Turcotte looks like he's had some injury problems along the way. If those are behind him? There's upside there.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Turcotte is a decent prospect, but no longer elite.

Copley has no value.

Retaining $3M on Marky should get us more than that I would say.

Yeah. Markstrom at 3 million is a steal

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I think Broberg would develop nicely in a different organization. He's got all the tools.

I feel the same way about both Broberg and Bouchard. In their draft years there were significant holes (Broburg at #8 was a ridiculous reach), and many, many questions about whether they could develop through these to become capable NHL defensemen. The problem is that the same holes are all still there—for both of them, and the concerns surrounding them at the draft appear to have been completely justified.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't know, I'm looking at Turcotte and he's a PPG AHL player this season in what looks like will be his first full healthy season as a pro.

We have to remember - Markstrom has red flags around him as well. Turcotte could be an attempt at a home run.

Look at Byfield and Lafreniere this season. It takes time for healthy players to click - and Turcotte looks like he's had some injury problems along the way. If those are behind him? There's upside there.

He'd be a fine piece.

No way should he be the center piece of a deal when you are retaining over $6M to make the deal happen.

Byfield and Lafreniere are both younger than Turcotte, and have been better at the NHL level and it's not even close.

Turcotte might pop, but at this point there is a reason he's only played 8 NHL games and been passed in the Kings organization, and it's not just injury.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I wonder if the Oilers approached the Flames and offered them Bouchard for Markstrom would the Flames be tempted?

I think Bouchard is having a terrible year so far, but he has a ton of potential IMO. Markstrom has been our best player this year, and he's exactly what the Oilers need.

Who would the Oilers replace him with? Even though he's terrible defensively adding a goaltender while subtracting a defenseman playing 22 minutes per night is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

[Vinny01]

If we are thinking about a goalie to the Oilers I wonder if we could squeeze the most value we can out of Vladar. Would they send a 2nd to get him?

If the Flames want to reset the roster but be competitive next year then keeping Markstrom makes the most sense. I only think Marky should be moved if a team really steps up and pays a price for a top 5-10 goalie so not retaining a bunch and not eating long term bad salary.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah. Markstrom at 3 million is a steal

Markstrom at $3M is as valuable as Lindholm is

[undercoverbrother]

Can we agree that no matter the situation we should not deal with Edmonton.

At some point we need to have standards.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Can we agree that no matter the situation we should not deal with Edmonton.

At some point we need to have standards.

Why? If there is a team out there right now that you could take advantage in trade return it would be Edmonton. Have to think they are getting very very desperate.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If we are thinking about a goalie to the Oilers I wonder if we could squeeze the most value we can out of Vladar. Would they send a 2nd to get him?

If the Flames want to reset the roster but be competitive next year then keeping Markstrom makes the most sense. I only think Marky should be moved if a team really steps up and pays a price for a top 5-10 goalie so not retaining a bunch and not eating long term bad salary.

Vladar is no better than what they have.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't know, I'm looking at Turcotte and he's a PPG AHL player this season in what looks like will be his first full healthy season as a pro.

We have to remember - Markstrom has red flags around him as well. Turcotte could be an attempt at a home run.

Look at Byfield and Lafreniere this season. It takes time for healthy players to click - and Turcotte looks like he's had some injury problems along the way. If those are behind him? There's upside there.

At 3 million bucks there would be 29 starting goalies this year making more than Markstrom. Unless we think we are trading one of the absolute worst starting goalies in hockey there is no reason to retain on Markstrom. Plus the 3 million you are retaining on him if allocated elsewhere probably allows you to pick up two years of Chiarot for a 1st and a 2nd, which would be a much better use of that money.