2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by traptor

It's going to be a long and awkward season.

Conroy isn't and shouldn't rush to trade these guys. He should wait until he's getting full value. Alot of these guys already have 1 foot out the door though and are going through the motions.

While I agree he shouldn't be in a rush, he should take any deal that deems fit for the future. If our players continue to play the way they did against Ottawa we won't be getting any kind of value from our pending UFAs who already seem checked out.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

While I agree he shouldn't be in a rush, he should take any deal that deems fit for the future. If our players continue to play the way they did against Ottawa we won't be getting any kind of value from our pending UFAs who already seem checked out.

The flames are at the precipice of the rebuild process. Rebuilds can take a long time and require patience from fans and management. It’s a tough call at this point to on when to make these trades. Normally, it’s the trade deadline and I still think that’s probably the best time. The problem is, it feels like the more the upcoming UFAs play, the worse they are performing. This could be due to poor morale in the room and it could be diminishing their returns.

At this point, if the flames come away with 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks from trading Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev and Zadorov, I would be happy. I know that’s just “magic beans” but its hard to see teams giving up any top prospects for any of these players right now.


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[My2Cents]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

While I agree he shouldn't be in a rush, he should take any deal that deems fit for the future. If our players continue to play the way they did against Ottawa we won't be getting any kind of value from our pending UFAs who already seem checked out.

I’ll disagree slightly. The bigger tire fire this is the easier it is to explain the poor play. Gives the players a big and believable excuse.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am kind of curious as to what is going on with Shane Pinto. I know he was suspended for 41 games for violating the league's gambling policy, but doesn't he have to sign a contract to start serving the suspension?

He'd be a perfect trade target for the Flames. The fact he is out for 41 games wouldn't matter much if management is using this season to reset things anyway.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am kind of curious as to what is going on with Shane Pinto. I know he was suspended for 41 games for violating the league's gambling policy, but doesn't he have to sign a contract to start serving the suspension?

He'd be a perfect trade target for the Flames. The fact he is out for 41 games wouldn't matter much if management is using this season to reset things anyway.

didn't he have to sign his qualifying offer to start the suspension

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

didn't he have to sign his qualifying offer to start the suspension

I think he would have to be signed and the Sens expected him to just sign the QO in order to start serving the suspension, but so far he is unsigned. I don't know if they took the QO off the table or if he is still hoping to sign for more.

[Sandman]

The Coyotes-Hanifin scenario was discussed a few days ago in this thread, and a few of us are of the opinion that we wouldn't be getting a prospect of the calibre of a Guenther or Geekie. Guenther is a 6'2"RW who scored 15 points in 33 NHL games as a 19 year-old, and is currently a ppg player in the AHL. Geekie is currently ripping up the WHL as a 6'4"C. Hard to envision them parting with Daniil But or Dimitri Simashev, either.

I would love to get Crouse- he's the same age as Hanifin, has 8 points in 13 games, and has attributes we're sorely lacking on this team. I could see us getting Barrett Hayton. Maybe 6'7"D Maveric Lamoureux. Hopefully, the deal would involve some high picks.

[Flames1217]

I would also love to get Crouse, big, mean, hits like a train and has offensive flair but Arizona would have some serious work to do to get Hanifin to resign there.

I like Dallas as a fit for Hanifin. They need someone to play with Miro, are currently in their window, could find a way to make him fit and are in an attractive market (Hanifin would likely be more inclined to resign).

Bourque is on an absolute tear to start the season and is the player I would target for Hanifin. High IQ player who can score goals and set up plays. Somewhat similar to Zary.

For Lindholm, I really liked the idea of Marchenko but he has as many points as Lindholm at the moment and I really doubt that Columbus looks to move him. Detroit has started out the season very well and it makes you wonder if Yzerman would be willing to add to begin to open that window. The way he has built the team points toward a quick rebuild and Lindholm would fit that team like a glove. From Detroit I would target Danielson.

For Tanev the obvious choices come down to both Vancouver and Toronto, you sell him to the highest bidder. Likely get back a 2nd and a 3rd.

For Zadarov I would try and be creative. New Jersey is lacking a defender like Zadarov as thier fanbase has complained about the lack of toughness. They also have one bad contrat in Palat that they likely want to get rid of. If we could take advantage of the situation to try and pry one of thier better prospects or even Mercer from them than I would do so. Palat's contract is at 6 million for three more seasons which shouldn't hinder the team cap wise seeing as we essentially have traded all the big ticket players.

Lastly I would look at every younger free agent whom is performing well abroad. Daniil Gutik is someone I would target as there is likely some familiarity with the franchise (played with Nikolayev a few years back. He is a big, right shot creative winger who is currently leading his KHL team in scoring at 22 years old. This is just an example though as I am sure there are many other players performing well in their respective leagues.

So in essence we get back :

Bourque + 1st for Hanifin
Danielson + 2nd for Lindholm
2nd and 3rd for Tanev
Palat + Mercer for Zadarov (don't know if possible but I would try)

Sign Gutik or comparable young players and look at dealing additional players like Dube and Mangiapane in the off-season for defensive help.

Embrace the rebuild and continue to play the kids!

[kyuss275]

This would be my time line for trading ufa players.

Lindholm - yesterday. If any players stock is going to drop between now and trade deadline it’s going to be this guy. Looks like a player waiting for trade . Also if he and hubby don’t seem to work well.

Tanev - Xmas . Tanev will get more at deadline but if anybody is going to be out of commission by then it’s this guy.

Hanifin- late January- early feb. think teams will want to get an early jump before deadline to acquire him.

Zad- deadline. Think someone will pay a little more for him after losing out on other dmen. I don’t worry about Zads effort from now until deadline. He has warts , but he always gives it. the other team receiving him know what they are getting.

I’ll also add if any of these guys are not traded by first week of February then I’m sending them home in bubble wrap until trade goes through.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sandman

The Coyotes-Hanifin scenario was discussed a few days ago in this thread, and a few of us are of the opinion that we wouldn't be getting a prospect of the calibre of a Guenther or Geekie. Guenther is a 6'2"RW who scored 15 points in 33 NHL games as a 19 year-old, and is currently a ppg player in the AHL. Geekie is currently ripping up the WHL as a 6'4"C. Hard to envision them parting with Daniil But or Dimitri Simashev, either.

I would love to get Crouse- he's the same age as Hanifin, has 8 points in 13 games, and has attributes we're sorely lacking on this team. I could see us getting Barrett Hayton. Maybe 6'7"D Maveric Lamoureux. Hopefully, the deal would involve some high picks.

Crouse would be severely disappointing as the center piece coming back in a trade unless it is Crouse + 1st or a really good prospect.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Crouse is already 26 years old and entering his prime years. Why bother with him if he's going to be approaching 30 by the time this team is any good again?

[Flamesfan05]

Yeah Crouse would fit in perfectly with the scoring talent or lack of on this team

But I would prefer the picks and top prospects from their big pool

[442scotty]

Teams will want to trade for players that play like they gaf even though they want out. Tanev and Zadorov come to mind and maybe Hanifin. What team in their right mind would want anyone else we are trying to get rid of. The league needs a performance clause in the contracts that allows teams to dump players without penalty lol.

[Tkachukwagon]

NJ seems like a perfect fit for Zadorov. The blog linked below has Brendan Smith (cap dump; he is awful) plus picks and a prospect as potential return.

https://pucksandpitchforks.com/2023/...ikita-zadorov/

[keenan87]

What about Huberdeau + Hanifin to Arizona for future considerations?

[Canada 02]

no need for the Devils to include Smith as a cap dump and diminish the value of their trade package. He makes less than the buried contract limit, so send him the AHL with no cap hit

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I would also love to get Crouse, big, mean, hits like a train and has offensive flair but Arizona would have some serious work to do to get Hanifin to resign there.

I like Dallas as a fit for Hanifin. They need someone to play with Miro, are currently in their window, could find a way to make him fit and are in an attractive market (Hanifin would likely be more inclined to resign).

Bourque is on an absolute tear to start the season and is the player I would target for Hanifin. High IQ player who can score goals and set up plays. Somewhat similar to Zary.

For Lindholm, I really liked the idea of Marchenko but he has as many points as Lindholm at the moment and I really doubt that Columbus looks to move him. Detroit has started out the season very well and it makes you wonder if Yzerman would be willing to add to begin to open that window. The way he has built the team points toward a quick rebuild and Lindholm would fit that team like a glove. From Detroit I would target Danielson.

For Tanev the obvious choices come down to both Vancouver and Toronto, you sell him to the highest bidder. Likely get back a 2nd and a 3rd.

For Zadarov I would try and be creative. New Jersey is lacking a defender like Zadarov as thier fanbase has complained about the lack of toughness. They also have one bad contrat in Palat that they likely want to get rid of. If we could take advantage of the situation to try and pry one of thier better prospects or even Mercer from them than I would do so. Palat's contract is at 6 million for three more seasons which shouldn't hinder the team cap wise seeing as we essentially have traded all the big ticket players.

Lastly I would look at every younger free agent whom is performing well abroad. Daniil Gutik is someone I would target as there is likely some familiarity with the franchise (played with Nikolayev a few years back. He is a big, right shot creative winger who is currently leading his KHL team in scoring at 22 years old. This is just an example though as I am sure there are many other players performing well in their respective leagues.

So in essence we get back :

Bourque + 1st for Hanifin
Danielson + 2nd for Lindholm
2nd and 3rd for Tanev
Palat + Mercer for Zadarov (don't know if possible but I would try)

Sign Gutik or comparable young players and look at dealing additional players like Dube and Mangiapane in the off-season for defensive help.

Embrace the rebuild and continue to play the kids!

While Crouse might be desired (stress might), why is Arizona giving him up when they are looking to add to their roster? If they are making a run and going for hanifin, probably looking at a future based package.

Bourque doesn’t fit the profile that we are looking for. Need big skilled forwards. He’s skilled, but not big. When we have coronato and Pelletier sub six feet, we need size.

Can’t see Stevie Y giving up Danielson after just drafting him.

Tanev is possible, prob a cap dump coming back

Nj isn’t giving up on Mercer after a slow start. I like the fact that Fitzgerald will trade prospects though. Have to find size and skill (Nolan Foote maybe)?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

The league needs a performance clause in the contracts that allows teams to dump players without penalty lol.

The players giving in on a salary cap means things like this can never happen.

Plus then, would players get more if they exceed expectations.

[1qqaaz]

I think Crouse is a great complimentary piece that can help teams go over the top. Similar to Coleman when he was on Tampa.

But he's not really the type of guy who should be a central piece for a major trade. Not the type of guy you build a team around. Unless you want a veteran who can have a positive presence around young guys.

If the Flames are trading away players, I'd hope they either get picks, or guys who may have high ceilings (even if they are high risk). If there's enough of them, some of then might turn out as hoped.

[Spurs]

With his age and where the two teams are why would Arizona get rid of him and why would the Flames want him?

Crouse fits much more with where Arizona are and are going than he does with us.