What can we do about Huberdeau and Kadri?

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I think Kadri will ask for a trade at some point. He doesn't seem happy. All his issues seem to be between the ears. And he seems like a disagreeable dude, so I can see him just saying I want out at some point.
Huberdeau I actually think has a good attitude, but he just isn't nearly as good as everyone thought.

They would have to add assets to move Kadri. No team would take him, unless it's for another terrible (boat anchor) contract. Kadri's 7x7 might be the worst contract in the league right now. If the Flames use more picks to move Kadri that would be the ultimate embarrassment for the franchise. If they even consider giving up futures at this point the fanbase should give up all together.

[FlamesAreOne]

Cap/contract experts, what would a Kadir buyout look like if we were to do so in 2 seasons time like some are suggesting?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Cap/contract experts, what would a Kadir buyout look like if we were to do so in 2 seasons time like some are suggesting?

2 million of dead cap space for 8 years. There isn't much point in doing it until they need cap space

[driveway]

Buyout Kadri, June of 2025 costs 16.3 million.
In cap-savings, the Flames save

2025-26: 2.5
2026-27: 4
2027-28: 5
2028-29: 5
2029-30: -2 (2.04 million cap hit)
2030-31: -2
2031-32: -2
2032-33: -2

Honestly, we shouldn't fall for the sunk-cost fallacy.

Trade Huberdeau (33% retained) + 2024 1st round pick to anyone for anything.
Trade Kadri (33% retained) + 2024 2nd & 2025 2nd to anyone for anything.

Only costs us 6 million dollars a season to have them NOT play for us for the next 7 years. How the hell Brad Treleving has a job anywhere in hockey is mind-boggling. With these two moves he absolutely demolished any legacy in this city and if I saw him on the street I'd cuss him out.

[Ashasx]

Pretty simply, you hold onto them and hope they have some sort of bounce back similar to players like Skinner or Karlsson. If they do, you might be able to trade them and maybe even get some value for them.

More realistically, I think the Flames will need to hold onto them and may utilize LTIR if their play continues to degrade further. Hopefully the cap grows large enough during a rebuild that the contracts arent as onerous as they are now.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by driveway

Buyout Kadri, June of 2025 costs 16.3 million.
In cap-savings, the Flames save

2025-26: 2.5
2026-27: 4
2027-28: 5
2028-29: 5
2029-30: -2 (2.04 million cap hit)
2030-31: -2
2031-32: -2
2032-33: -2

Honestly, we shouldn't fall for the sunk-cost fallacy.

Trade Huberdeau (33% retained) + 2024 1st round pick to anyone for anything.
Trade Kadri (33% retained) + 2024 2nd & 2025 2nd to anyone for anything.

Only costs us 6 million dollars a season to have them NOT play for us for the next 7 years. How the hell Brad Treleving has a job anywhere in hockey is mind-boggling. With these two moves he absolutely demolished any legacy in this city and if I saw him on the street I'd cuss him out.

If Huberdeau and Kadri stay this bad, the Flames are getting a decently high draft pick in 2024, and they should not trade the first or second.

The way both Huberdeau and Kadri are playing, they are both actively making the team worse by sucking away opportunities. If the goal is a rebuild, you keep them on the top line.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Pretty simply, you hold onto them and hope they have some sort of bounce back similar to players like Skinner or Karlsson. If they do, you might be able to trade them and maybe even get some value for them.

More realistically, I think the Flames will need to hold onto them and may utilize LTIR if their play continues to degrade further. Hopefully the cap grows large enough during a rebuild that the contracts arent as onerous as they are now.

The Flames probably should hold on to them. For one, the cost to get rid of them will be prohibitive, and two, there are other contracts easier to move to ensure they aren’t prohibitive to signing any young talent even if the cap doesn’t go up.

As boring/frustrating as they are to watch, I’d rather hate watching them than watch the Flames pay anything to move them. Start rolling on a rebuild over the next year, and the only guy still on the books (for maybe a year or two) when they’re competitive and needing to sign fat contracts for young players is going to be Huberdeau.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Montreal for sure in my mind and because of the goals of the organization I think Calgary does as well, which is insane.

Why would Montreal do this, Monny is signed for one year.

Something is insane for sure.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by driveway

Buyout Kadri, June of 2025 costs 16.3 million.
In cap-savings, the Flames save

2025-26: 2.5
2026-27: 4
2027-28: 5
2028-29: 5
2029-30: -2 (2.04 million cap hit)
2030-31: -2
2031-32: -2
2032-33: -2

Honestly, we shouldn't fall for the sunk-cost fallacy.

Trade Huberdeau (33% retained) + 2024 1st round pick to anyone for anything.
Trade Kadri (33% retained) + 2024 2nd & 2025 2nd to anyone for anything.

Only costs us 6 million dollars a season to have them NOT play for us for the next 7 years. How the hell Brad Treleving has a job anywhere in hockey is mind-boggling. With these two moves he absolutely demolished any legacy in this city and if I saw him on the street I'd cuss him out.

So we start a rebuild by trading a 1st and a couple 2nds away.

And then we have a drain on our cap for the next 6 years after that (in a Canadian market, where we already have to pay a premium to keep players).

Sounds like a hell of a way to start a rebuild.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by driveway

Buyout Kadri, June of 2025 costs 16.3 million.
In cap-savings, the Flames save

2025-26: 2.5
2026-27: 4
2027-28: 5
2028-29: 5
2029-30: -2 (2.04 million cap hit)
2030-31: -2
2031-32: -2
2032-33: -2

Honestly, we shouldn't fall for the sunk-cost fallacy.

Trade Huberdeau (33% retained) + 2024 1st round pick to anyone for anything.
Trade Kadri (33% retained) + 2024 2nd & 2025 2nd to anyone for anything.

Only costs us 6 million dollars a season to have them NOT play for us for the next 7 years. How the hell Brad Treleving has a job anywhere in hockey is mind-boggling. With these two moves he absolutely demolished any legacy in this city and if I saw him on the street I'd cuss him out.

NO one is trading for today's Huberdeau with close to 8 years remaining. Get used to that.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Why would Montreal do this, Monny is signed for one year.

Something is insane for sure.

I said Montreal for sure says no.

[Canada 02]

let them play a lot
let them lose a lot
draft Celebrini

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by driveway

Buyout Kadri, June of 2025 costs 16.3 million.
In cap-savings, the Flames save

2025-26: 2.5
2026-27: 4
2027-28: 5
2028-29: 5
2029-30: -2 (2.04 million cap hit)
2030-31: -2
2031-32: -2
2032-33: -2

Honestly, we shouldn't fall for the sunk-cost fallacy.

Trade Huberdeau (33% retained) + 2024 1st round pick to anyone for anything.
Trade Kadri (33% retained) + 2024 2nd & 2025 2nd to anyone for anything.

Only costs us 6 million dollars a season to have them NOT play for us for the next 7 years. How the hell Brad Treleving has a job anywhere in hockey is mind-boggling. With these two moves he absolutely demolished any legacy in this city and if I saw him on the street I'd cuss him out.

They can't possibly do this, if I'm correct. The 1st rounders are all encumbered until the Monahan trade is settled.

Even if they could, how much would you offer Huberdeau now? 8x$4.5M? So a net value of -$48M. Retain 1/3, leaves you with -$20M. So some team would be paying $20 million dollars for a first round pick?

[Spurs]

As much as I want them gone no chance I am including one of our own 1st round picks to get them gone. If we gained a 1st in another trade (Hanifin/Lindholm) sure include that but we need to keep our own picks to use to build the next core.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Or are we truly, royally F'd for the next 8 years and have no hope of them improving their game or moving them? (Likely the correct answer).

It's this one.

I guess if you're really optimistic you hope they turn it around, at least enough to be tradeable for another bad contract. But for the foreseeable future the only correct answer is to wait for them to retire or become allergic to their equipment. Right now you could make a case that they are #1 and #2 on the list of worst contracts in the league.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Spurs

As much as I want them gone no chance I am including one of our own 1st round picks to get them gone. If we gained a 1st in another trade (Hanifin/Lindholm) sure include that but we need to keep our own picks to use to build the next core.

Team should not trade any pick. That’s their only chance of escaping this hell.

What’s the point of getting rid of Huby and Kadri and no pick left to make improvements?

[Icantwhisper]

As soon as the cap hits $200million these won’t seem so bad

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

It's this one.

I guess if you're really optimistic you hope they turn it around, at least enough to be tradeable for another bad contract. But for the foreseeable future the only correct answer is to wait for them to retire or become allergic to their equipment. Right now you could make a case that they are #1 and #2 on the list of worst contracts in the league.

The bright side is that their cap hits won't really matter during a rebuild. The tail end of Huberdeau's might be an issue

[Steve Bozek]

As an elderly (healthy) Flames fan said to me, when he saw the length and cap hit of those contracts: “Well that’s it! The Flames will be nowhere near the Stanley Cup in the rest of my lifetime!”

[Macho0978]

If you are ok with a rebuild then you just suck with them for a few years.

If we traded Lindholm, Zadorov, Hanifin and Tanev we could be at the bottom all year with a team like San Jose.

Other than Eiserman, all the top 5 guys seems to be C or D. You're already replacing Lindholm or Hanifin almost immediately.

If you get Celebrini, Huberdeau now has a potential young star center to play with. They might click, if Celebrini is a superstar, he may pad both Kadri and Huberdeau stats on the PP.

Cap goes up, Huberdeau can be moved.

Kadri can be moved with an asset in a couple years. Maybe 3-4 years but you could buy him out too.