Israel declares war on Hamas

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

You are someone I have always held great respect for in my time here, a reason you will often see me not ####ing around with you. It has been close to 20 years and I am actually incredibly saddened and in shock by some of the things you've said in this thread. That you are buying into twitter garbage and posting a 'joke' like that thinking it is in any way funny or in any way going to contribute to this topic is not something I ever had on my bingo card.

The descending spiral of "Owning the Libs"

I enjoyed that he pulled out the Puppetmaster Defense though

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It was a joke but way to go for getting personal.

… how is that better? You’re in the thread about the active violent conflict…

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Because the Palestinians see them as the only interest willing to stand up for them and make any statement on their behalf. I've said this numerous times in this thread. You want the Palestinians to turn on Hamas it is as easy as treating them (the Palestinians) better than Hamas treats them. Shouldn't be too hard a challenge, but Israel keeps going in the wrong direction and treats them worse forcing them further in support of a monstrous terrorist organization. It was the strategy that brought about the end of ISIS and it will be a similar strategy that brings about the end of Hamas.

Israel has a massive opportunity here. They can show compassion to the average Palestinian and start winning hearts and minds. Show they are the good guys and not the evil empire wanting to put a boot on the collective people of the region. Show Hamas as the animals they are and how their violence also affected more than just Jews. Get the message out that self-determination is possible in short order so long as Hamas is brought to their knees and tried for what they did. That requires courage and a plan. That is how we get out of this mess long-term.

I have thought a lot about that actually in the last few days. I wondered whether in the face of the horrific, unspeakable crimes of October 7, after of course taking the necessary steps including mobilizing its forces to secure its borders, Israel should have announced that the IDF would temporarily stand down while government leaders embarked on an unprecedented campaign to do just that. Send them around the world to every major capital, including Cairo, Riyadh, Aman and Ramallah to gain support (and assistance to free the hostages) with the message that enough was enough, that Hamas must be disarmed and their leaders brought to justice and that if something like this was to ever occur again the IDF would respond with overwhelming force. Meanwhile Israeli covert ops would be hunting down Hamas leaders in Qatar, Beirut, etc. Munich style.

But of course Iran and Hamas would only see that or any similar plan as a significant sign of weakness, and ramp up their daily barrage of missiles on Israeli civilians. And no Israeli government would survive a strategy involving a response to the events of October 7 that did not involve the complete and immediate annihilation of Hamas.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

132 pages and nearly found the solution

many posters remain open to the thoughts and concepts from the other side

You need to increase your posts per page. I am only on page 67, so still a ways back from finding that solution.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Because the Palestinians see them as the only interest willing to stand up for them and make any statement on their behalf. I've said this numerous times in this thread. You want the Palestinians to turn on Hamas it is as easy as treating them (the Palestinians) better than Hamas treats them. Shouldn't be too hard a challenge, but Israel keeps going in the wrong direction and treats them worse forcing them further in support of a monstrous terrorist organization. It was the strategy that brought about the end of ISIS and it will be a similar strategy that brings about the end of Hamas.

Israel has a massive opportunity here. They can show compassion to the average Palestinian and start winning hearts and minds. Show they are the good guys and not the evil empire wanting to put a boot on the collective people of the region. Show Hamas as the animals they are and how their violence also affected more than just Jews. Get the message out that self-determination is possible in short order so long as Hamas is brought to their knees and tried for what they did. That requires courage and a plan. That is how we get out of this mess long-term.

You are twisting history here. ISIS was driven out be concerted efforts of Iraqi, Syrian, and Kurdish forces with significant international arms support. The West stayed out specifically of the history of Iraq which fueled ISIS propaganda. While some populations might have supported ISIS initially due to being tired of constant corruption and sectarian violence, it was much more those communities witnessing the horrors of actually living under extremist Salafist groups that changed their minds than any concerted effort to change their hearts and minds. This limited their recruitment. Also the Iraqis got really good and disrupting ISIS sources of funding.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Bagor

If you really want to play the one side is as hateful as the other game.

NSFW!

Yeah, I really don't understand that other poster who for some reason challenged people to find one incident of violence in the last 2 weeks where violence came from the pro-Israeli side.

Like, they seriously thought these extreme idiots are isolated to only one side? You showed one example, another would be the pro-Israel supporter in Skokie, outside of Chicago only yesterday where he chased pro-Palestine people at a rally and then fired shots in the air before he was overwhelmed (GOOD) and arrested.

There's clearly going to be idiots on each side.

[WCW Nitro]

People are looking towards Iran in terms of a war expansion, but I think there's a greater chance that Egypt gets dragged into this. The Western countries have clearly put pressure on Israel to stop with the plan to expel the Palestinians into Egypt,but the "accidental" firing on Egyptians by Israel was clearly meant as a warning shot. If the ground invasion becomes a permanent displacement effort, Egypt may have to act.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

… how is that better? You’re in the thread about the active violent conflict…

Option 1: Admit you were duped again. Have everyone think the same of you they already think: someone who is easily duped by misinformation.

Option 2: Say it was a joke. Call people “triggered” for not getting your “joke.” Have people somehow think even less of you: someone who is easily duped by misinformation and makes jokes about eliminating Jews.

Ah yeah man, tough to pick I guess.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Yeah, I really don't understand that other poster who for some reason challenged people to find one incident of violence in the last 2 weeks where violence came from the pro-Israeli side.

Like, they seriously thought these extreme idiots are isolated to only one side? You showed one example, another would be the pro-Israel supporter in Skokie, outside of Chicago only yesterday where he chased pro-Palestine people at a rally and then fired shots in the air before he was overwhelmed (GOOD) and arrested.

There's clearly going to be idiots on each side.

You actually believe this huh? It is pretty obvious what side of this is full of nut jobs but go on. There is an endless amount of material from Pro Palestine rallys. Its remarkable actually. It is completely disproportionate. Jews could not even hold a vigil in London last night because of hundreds of threats from the Muslim community but a pro Palestine march of 100,000 people was permitted. It was not even a rally against Hamas but a vigil to honour our dead but even that elicited threats. Jewish institutions and places of worship all around the world are being threatened and it is only going to get worse, it is only a matter of time until something horrific happens to a Jewish community outside of Israel because of these rallies. But yes tell us how it is proportional. They are a festering ground for Jew hatred, open your eyes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/Rbab48wzc1

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/Meh3EK0mJe

https://www.timesofisrael.com/london...mas-onslaught/

https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/PBXiyjSI0e

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Beninho

You actually believe this huh? It is pretty obvious what side of this is full of nut jobs but go on. There is an endless amount of material from Pro Palestine rallys. Its remarkable actually. It is completely disproportionate. Jews could not even hold a vigil in London last night because of hundreds of threats from the Muslim community but a pro Palestine march of 100,000 people was permitted. It was not even a rally against Hamas but a vigil to honour our dead but even that elicited threats. Jewish institutions and places of worship all around the world are being threatened and it is only going to get worse, it is only a matter of time until something horrific happens to a Jewish community outside of Israel because of these rallies. But yes tell us how it is proportional. They are a festering ground for Jew hatred, open your eyes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/Rbab48wzc1

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/Meh3EK0mJe

https://www.timesofisrael.com/london...mas-onslaught/

I already posted earlier in this thread when someone was shocked, that Jewish people make up 0.2% of the world's population but receive the most hate crimes by far. So, whatever you're trying to say here isn't what I've ever asserted.

My assertion is that the original poster (and others on the extreme here) seems to believe that it's just one side while the other side doesn't have any whack jobs. They're wrong. And two examples were brought up very quickly that satisfy the "in the last two weeks" criteria. It was a silly position to take.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Jews could not even hold a vigil in London last night because of hundreds of threats from the Muslim community but a pro Palestine march of 100,000 people was permitted.

Terrible. Jews can't even go outside in London. It must be true. I read it on Reddit.

Meanwhile. Yesterday in Trafalgar Square.

NSFW!

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Terrible. Jews can't even go outside in London. It must be true. I read it on Reddit.

Meanwhile. Yesterday in Trafalgar Square.

NSFW!

Not what I said. Clearly did not read the article I posted, but you believe Al Jazeeras article on the hospital bombing. Figures coming from you. You also believe Hamas does not operate in the West Bank, laughable on both fronts. Still need your own independent study on how the Palestinians blew up their own hospital? Oh wait I mean parking lot. You think you understand this conflict but you don’t. But ya, go ahead and whitewash antisemitism. On brand for the Anti-Israel circle jerkers in here. No point in arguing with sanctimonious virtue signallers

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-b1115263.html

In Toronto
https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/tor...rant-1.6612892

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67145473

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Oh. There was video evidence presented. Initially.
Except they had to remove it when the timestamp showed it to be false.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1714382690420449586

Hmm

Were you able to find enough evidence Bagor or do you and Lanny need to go to Gaza and independently verify they blew up their own hospital and blamed it on Israel? I don’t think you two would be warmly welcomed tho.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by I leaving this time, I really am. You'll see! And btw, you're all blocked!

Not what I said. Clearly did not read the article I posted, but you believe Al Jazeeras article on the hospital bombing. Figures coming from you. You also believe Hamas does not operate in the West Bank, laughable on both fronts. Still need your own independent study on how the Palestinians blew up their own hospital? Oh wait I mean parking lot. You think you understand this conflict but you don’t. But ya, go ahead and whitewash antisemitism .
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-b1115263.html

In Toronto
https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/tor...rant-1.6612892

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67145473

Such a dishonest little poster. Changing the link.

There is nothing in your TimesofIsrael link that you posted that mentions or supports your claim that "Jews could not even hold a vigil in London last night because of hundreds of threats from the Muslim community". Nothing. And I don't do reddit. It's dumb.

Now. Back to your dishonest lies and accusations. Second one.

Where did I say that I believed Al Jazeera's article on the hospital bombing?

That's the second false accusation you've made. The last you slinked off hoping it would disappear.

Originally Posted by Bagor

Don't deflect from your dishonest statement.
Show me where I said I believed Hamas reports.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

You are twisting history here. ISIS was driven out be concerted efforts of Iraqi, Syrian, and Kurdish forces with significant international arms support. The West stayed out specifically of the history of Iraq which fueled ISIS propaganda. While some populations might have supported ISIS initially due to being tired of constant corruption and sectarian violence, it was much more those communities witnessing the horrors of actually living under extremist Salafist groups that changed their minds than any concerted effort to change their hearts and minds. This limited their recruitment. Also the Iraqis got really good and disrupting ISIS sources of funding.

What ended ISIS was the people turned on them. The US and Iraqis used a targeted social media and disinformation campaign that undermined ISIS and completely stemmed the flow of bodies and money into their network. Their recruitment efforts were nullified and that made them vulnerable to attrition, something they never had to face prior to that. Stemming the flow of money put an expiration date on the organization but when the people started ratting them out, and making them easy targets, their extinction came quickly.

[_Q_]

Islamophobia on the rise in the West, including a 1000% in Canada since the beginning on this war.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/londo...larm-1.6999002

https://globalnews.ca/news/10035853/...mitism-canada/

https://time.com/6324995/muslim-jewi...ael-hamas-war/

But sure.... "we all know" who the worst offenders of hate are. Right?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Hmm

Were you able to find enough evidence Bagor or do you and Lanny need to go to Gaza and independently verify they blew up their own hospital and blamed it on Israel? I don’t think you two would be warmly welcomed tho.

That is correct.
The IDF sent out false information and had to delete their tweet when it was exposed as false.
And your point is?

Again you're being a dishonest little poster. Where did I say that Israel dropped the bomb on the hospital?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Yeah, I really don't understand that other poster who for some reason challenged people to find one incident of violence in the last 2 weeks where violence came from the pro-Israeli side.

Like, they seriously thought these extreme idiots are isolated to only one side? You showed one example, another would be the pro-Israel supporter in Skokie, outside of Chicago only yesterday where he chased pro-Palestine people at a rally and then fired shots in the air before he was overwhelmed (GOOD) and arrested.

There's clearly going to be idiots on each side.

Focusing on finding idiots on each side is pointless, we can mostly all agree on that.
I do however think it's a valid and important question as to why the Free Palestine protests don't seem to have much (if any) emphasis on freeing them from Hamas.
If we accept the idiots are outliers and 99% of these people are peaceful, non idiots, why is that vital element of achieving a "free" Palestine seemingly omitted from the protests?

If I'm wrong here, and that is a prominent part of the protests, happy to be corrected, but I haven't seen any of that in the interviews or signs I've viewed.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Such a dishonest little poster. Changing the link.

There is nothing in your TimesofIsrael link that you posted that mentions or supports your claim that "Jews could not even hold a vigil in London last night because of hundreds of threats from the Muslim community". Nothing. And I don't do reddit. It's dumb.

Now. Back to your dishonest lies and accusations. Second one.

Where did I say that I believed Al Jazeera's article on the hospital bombing?

That's the second false accusation you've made. The last you slinked off hoping it would disappear.

I did not change the link, my first link was about a 1300% rise in antisemitsm in London, but ya your picture really proves your point. You wanna post videos of jews saying things about Palestinians but don’t wanna watch the video i provided of a group of Palestinian supporters saying how they are/wanting to hunt down Jews in the streets of London. Ahh you are the king of virtue signaling along with pepsifree, you two make me laugh

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Focusing on finding idiots on each side is pointless, we can mostly all agree on that.
I do however think it's a valid and important question as to why the Free Palestine protests don't seem to have much (if any) emphasis on freeing them from Hamas.
If we accept the idiots are outliers and 99% of these people are peaceful, non idiots, why is that vital element of achieving a "free" Palestine seemingly omitted from the protests?

If I'm wrong here, and that is a prominent part of the protests, happy to be corrected, but I haven't seen any of that in the interviews or signs I've viewed.

Because many are pro hamas, simple as that.