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Old 10-12-2023, 10:55 PM   #15401
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Because chuds enjoy the company of other chuds. Plus, you know, the whole conservative fixation on gender ideology. They both seem to like wasting time gaslighting that topic.
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Old 10-13-2023, 06:14 AM   #15402
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On CER specifically, I haven’t noticed any outright lies but definitely a lot of hyperbole. Probably missing something though knowing her style.

But CER is the one front I’m fine with her going nuclear crazy on. It really will completely **** Albertans. ECCC and the Liberal government are massively underestimating the impact and costs for this province and each of its electricity rate paying and/or tax paying citizens.

ECCC doesn’t even understand the implications of how they wrote the draft regulations. And they’re the actual underlying “experts” upon which the Liberals are making their then further partisan claims (nothing against Liberals in particular with this comment…every politicians lathers on good dollop of partisanship on most things they say).
Well she is claiming that the act will mean criminal charges for executives who have unabated gas plants in 2035. There seems to be no evidence I can find to back that up and the feds denied it.

Flaws in the CER aside, she completely discredits herself with claims like this which are of course just reposted without any backtracking,
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Old 10-13-2023, 06:57 AM   #15403
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Here's a new video from the Alberta Government that includes fun facts like renewables aren't available in the peak of summer. There is a valid discussion to be had about the future of the grid but this is blatant propaganda.

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ROFL at them insinuating wind farms on Maligne Lake. ####ing clowns. Why can't they just present facts without spinning everything?
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On CER specifically, I haven’t noticed any outright lies but definitely a lot of hyperbole. Probably missing something though knowing her style.

But CER is the one front I’m fine with her going nuclear crazy on. It really will completely **** Albertans. ECCC and the Liberal government are massively underestimating the impact and costs for this province and each of its electricity rate paying and/or tax paying citizens.

ECCC doesn’t even understand the implications of how they wrote the draft regulations. And they’re the actual underlying “experts” upon which the Liberals are making their then further partisan claims (nothing against Liberals in particular with this comment…every politicians lathers on good dollop of partisanship on most things they say).
I don't disagree that some negotiation needs to go on here. Going nuclear as step one is not the answer. Why can't she build a strong case and go discuss indivdual issues like an adult? Why is she using our money to pay for diesel trucks to drive around Ottawa, and ads across Canada with misleading messages? All out war isn't step 1, it's the last option.


This is a good article that sets out some points she could discuss like an adult:


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...n-electricity/
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Old 10-13-2023, 08:44 AM   #15406
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Well she is claiming that the act will mean criminal charges for executives who have unabated gas plants in 2035. There seems to be no evidence I can find to back that up and the feds denied it.



Flaws in the CER aside, she completely discredits herself with claims like this which are of course just reposted without any backtracking,
The draft regulations also refer to an updated Canadian Environmental Protection Act, specifically the Regulations Designating Regulatory Provisions for the Purposes of Enforcement. It refers specifically to increased fines and jail time for non compliance.


I'm a huge clean electricity guy as anyone who's checked my posting history can see, but these regulations are going to make expensive electricity in Alberta. Firstly, ccus is very expensive to begin with as it's still an emerging technology, and secondly, even if produced at scale I'm not sure it can do what the regulations will require (ie. 30 t/GWh). The ccus itself uses almost 30% of the power it scrubs the CO2 from! Peaker plants can be unabated but they can only work 450 hours per year which is probably not enough to a) support the grid, or b) be profitable.

Unless affordable 16 hour+ storage becomes widely available soon (which it will eventually, but when?), Gas will have to be the back up power. With higher carbon taxes other provinces that can move away from gas will, so I'm not sure it needs to be regulated so tightly.
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The draft regulations also refer to an updated Canadian Environmental Protection Act, specifically the Regulations Designating Regulatory Provisions for the Purposes of Enforcement. It refers specifically to increased fines and jail time for non compliance.


I'm a huge clean electricity guy as anyone who's checked my posting history can see, but these regulations are going to make expensive electricity in Alberta. Firstly, ccus is very expensive to begin with as it's still an emerging technology, and secondly, even if produced at scale I'm not sure it can do what the regulations will require (ie. 30 t/GWh). The ccus itself uses almost 30% of the power it scrubs the CO2 from! Peaker plants can be unabated but they can only work 450 hours per year which is probably not enough to a) support the grid, or b) be profitable.

Unless affordable 16 hour+ storage becomes widely available soon (which it will eventually, but when?), Gas will have to be the back up power. With higher carbon taxes other provinces that can move away from gas will, so I'm not sure it needs to be regulated so tightly.
Even this isn't nearly enough. We need to backup renewables for weeks at a time, not days(and I'm not exaggerating, I've watched through the doldrums of Dec-Jan). If I were the UCP, I'd be arguing for these windows of time, whereby gas can run when renewables are available less than a % of time and % capacity. Setup a plan over years where this leeway gradually reduces(presumably filled by new technologies). But that goes hand in hand with a big push for renewables running when they are useful. The moratorium shows they aren't even willing to look in that direction.


This is my problem with their position and tactics. It's all bad faith bull####. Come to the table like adults.
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Well she is claiming that the act will mean criminal charges for executives who have unabated gas plants in 2035. There seems to be no evidence I can find to back that up and the feds denied it.

Flaws in the CER aside, she completely discredits herself with claims like this which are of course just reposted without any backtracking,
She is accurate in this claim. The CER will fall under CEPA (Canadian Environmental Protection Act) which comes with criminal charges for executives of companies who breach it.

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Here's a new video from the Alberta Government that includes fun facts like renewables aren't available in the peak of summer. There is a valid discussion to be had about the future of the grid but this is blatant propaganda.

When weather fronts, both cold and hot, settle in the wind doesn’t blow much. See this summer when we had those crazy price spikes. This claim is not propaganda. It is fact. I find this video quite accurate and well produced.

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Even this isn't nearly enough. We need to backup renewables for weeks at a time, not days(and I'm not exaggerating, I've watched through the doldrums of Dec-Jan). If I were the UCP, I'd be arguing for these windows of time, whereby gas can run when renewables are available less than a % of time and % capacity. Setup a plan over years where this leeway gradually reduces(presumably filled by new technologies). But that goes hand in hand with a big push for renewables running when they are useful. The moratorium shows they aren't even willing to look in that direction.


This is my problem with their position and tactics. It's all bad faith bull####. Come to the table like adults.
The AESO is arguing for this.
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When weather fronts, both cold and hot, settle in the wind doesn’t blow much. See this summer when we had those crazy price spikes. This claim is not propaganda. It is fact. I find this video quite accurate and well produced.
But the sun doesn’t shine in the summer?
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The draft regulations also refer to an updated Canadian Environmental Protection Act, specifically the Regulations Designating Regulatory Provisions for the Purposes of Enforcement. It refers specifically to increased fines and jail time for non compliance.


I'm a huge clean electricity guy as anyone who's checked my posting history can see, but these regulations are going to make expensive electricity in Alberta. Firstly, ccus is very expensive to begin with as it's still an emerging technology, and secondly, even if produced at scale I'm not sure it can do what the regulations will require (ie. 30 t/GWh). The ccus itself uses almost 30% of the power it scrubs the CO2 from! Peaker plants can be unabated but they can only work 450 hours per year which is probably not enough to a) support the grid, or b) be profitable.

Unless affordable 16 hour+ storage becomes widely available soon (which it will eventually, but when?), Gas will have to be the back up power. With higher carbon taxes other provinces that can move away from gas will, so I'm not sure it needs to be regulated so tightly.

Ignoring 2035, what does net-zero ever look like in Alberta? If there is a necessity to stop adding CO2 to the atmosphere then costs need to be borne one way or other. What’s the end plan and how do get there, even by 2050?
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The more I think about this idea the more insane it becomes, but do some modern Christians not realize this was also the explicit reason that Jesus was crucified?
It says so in the gospels. He wasn't crucified because he was claiming to be the son of god (had been doing this for years), or because he was healing on the sabbath (again, years), but he was crucified because of the "Cleansing of the Temple" event where he was upsetting the usuary church patriarchs and their unscrupulous capitalism (he said they had turned the temple into a den of thieves and a house of trade). That is why the church patriarchs asked Pontius Pilot to crucify him. It wasn't while he was gaining followers, it was after he went into the temple and took their money, and started preaching about how they had turned to capitalist interests away from God. Matthew, Luke, and Mark all point to this event as the real reason for the crucifixion.

Jesus was literally crucified for being too communist. The religion is founded on and for communism.
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Holy #### this is huge! Smith deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for this work. Amazing, I'm so glad I voted for her twice last election.
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Alberta, home of cities with the highest amount of sun days in Canada, but no good for solar. Here's a shot of Calgary after the sun went down to prove our point.
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But the sun doesn’t shine in the summer?
Not when it sets, no.

Evening is usually the highest demand part of the day, and the hours where we really struggled this summer.

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Alberta, home of cities with the highest amount of sun days in Canada, but no good for solar. Here's a shot of Calgary after the sun went down to prove our point.
I also enjoy the part where they recognize "the ever increasing need for A/C" (paraphrased), clueless to the irony of their position.
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Old 10-13-2023, 03:54 PM   #15418
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While planning for the worst conditions is prudent, what often gets overlooked is the fact that the system can still be planned and designed around when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing. In fact, when you have renewables running all out, that's when pool prices can be at their lowest. I get that if Renewables are overbuilt there's concerns about overloading the grid, but other jurisdictions just shut in facilities if that's the case/compensate the generator in those case. That'll require a re-work of the system as well, but it's a complex problem requiring complex solutions.

But really, having more renewables on the grid to displace non-renewables in those high supply times isn't a bad thing - it's like mixing in a water on a night of heavy drinking - it's a sensible thing to do.
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Getting old enough to wonder if I'm old enough that most people won't get that reference lol.
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