[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

7-8 of the guys on your list, including Draisaitl, who you have as the #3 center overall, are the #2 centers on their team. Guys like Draisaitl, Malkin, Stamkos, Hischier, etc are better suited as #2 line centers on elite teams or in some cases even just average teams because that’s exactly where they play.

So, again, stuff like “better suited to be a 2nd line center on an elite team” is just made up nonsense.

Some teams are extremely fortunate and have two legit 1st line centers. Edmonton, Pittsburgh, Tampa. Some teams have none like Arizona. Some have a very strong 1-2 punch like Jersey. Not quite sure how it's nonsense. A guy like Chandler you could argue is a top 32 center but he's definitely way better suited for the 2nd line with a guy like Eichel on the top line. Cozens you could argue is a top 32 center but I think their team is way stronger having him on the 2nd line with Thompson on the first. If you have a team with the 30th best center and 60th best center those are legit 1st and 2nd line players by definition but they are likely not strong enough to beat the top teams who likely have a much stronger 1-2 punch. So this is why I think focusing on your definition is meaningless because in the real world you need more to compete.

[UKflames]

Whilst keeping Lindholm would be the preffered option to give is a 1c, taking into account his age, cost, the contracts of Kadri and Huberdeau, plus the foreseable need to extend some of our younger players, I'm in the trade him camp. Not ideal but he is a victim of the position that BT left us in imo.

[memphusk]

Treliving was one of the best snake oil salesman.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Some teams are extremely fortunate and have two legit 1st line centers. Edmonton, Pittsburgh, Tampa. Some teams have none like Arizona. Some have a very strong 1-2 punch like Jersey. Not quite sure how it's nonsense. A guy like Chandler you could argue is a top 32 center but he's definitely way better suited for the 2nd line with a guy like Eichel on the top line. Cozens you could argue is a top 32 center but I think their team is way stronger having him on the 2nd line with Thompson on the first. If you have a team with the 30th best center and 60th best center those are legit 1st and 2nd line players by definition but they are likely not strong enough to beat the top teams who likely have a much stronger 1-2 punch. So this is why I think focusing on your definition is meaningless because in the real world you need more to compete.

Having a 1-2 punch of Lindholm and Kadri is pretty strong top 6 centre depth.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Treliving was one of the best snake oil salesman.

And there are quite a few that bought the auto-renewing subscription to "The Wizard" and his greatness. Can't believe that someone who drove this franchise onto the off ramp to mediocrity managed to pull the wool over the eyes of so many.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And there are quite a few that bought the auto-renewing subscription to "The Wizard" and his greatness. Can't believe that someone who drove this franchise onto the off ramp to mediocrity managed to pull the wool over the eyes of so many.

Man your crap is old. Anyone that doesn't have your opinion has had the wool pulled over their eyes.
Rationale people can have different opinions.
Instead of berating them maybe learn to discuss with them.

[PepsiFree]

Treliving made some really good moves and had some good seasons. He left us in a pretty awful spot, all things considered against where we just were and the potential the team had, but that doesn’t mean the good stuff never happened.

But people who love going ditch to ditch think everybody does the same, so that’s probably why it’s either Wizard or Snake Oil Salesman and couldn’t possibly be something in between.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Treliving made some really good moves and had some good seasons. He left us in a pretty awful spot, all things considered against where we just were and the potential the team had, but that doesn’t mean the good stuff never happened.

But people who love going ditch to ditch think everybody does the same, so that’s probably why it’s either Wizard or Snake Oil Salesman and couldn’t possibly be something in between.

Where he picked up the Calgary Flames and...where he left them...did he accomplish anything?

Is the team, at all, appreciably better now than when he inherited it?

Treliving did a lot of things, but I'd contend that it essentially equates to 'Treading Water.'

At best.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

Where he picked up the Calgary Flames and...where he left them...did he accomplish anything?

Is the team, at all, appreciably better now than when he inherited it?

Treliving did a lot of things, but I'd contend that it essentially equates to 'Treading Water.'

At best.

It went from a team that missed the playoffs 5 years in a row to a team that won the division twice and won a couple rounds.

Basically tracks exactly with someone who made some really good moves but was neither “the Wizard” full time, nor a total snake oil salesman.

He improved the team up to a point we were all excited about, then he just sat and watched it get dismantled over an offseason and washed his hands of the quick mess he made. Why are we pretending different?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Having a 1-2 punch of Lindholm and Kadri is pretty strong top 6 centre depth.

Is it? It's not bad but far from elite. I think it could work if they were surrounded by a stronger supporting cast but when you have Huberdeau and no other high end wingers I think it will be tough.

[Paulie Walnuts]

A couple of 50 win teams when we have had 1 prior to that.

A few franchise altering trades.

He left a mess but people dumping on him are just upset at last season which really wasn't his fault.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Is it? It's not bad but far from elite. I think it could work if they were surrounded by a stronger supporting cast but when you have Huberdeau and no other high end wingers I think it will be tough.

I think when you add Backlund as the 3rd (one of the best 3rd line Cs in the league) then it is, yes.

And yes, you need more than Huberdeau to go with them. And that is why you ADD to the roster, not subtract from it.

Mangiapane, Dube, Sharangovich, Coleman, Pelletier, Coronato is not a great collection of wingers. But it isn't awful. If Sharangovich takes a step, and Pelletier and/or Coronato blossom, and they can add a solid player from a Hanifin trade, then you're really starting to get some depth and strength on the wings.

This team is no where near as far away as some fans think.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

And there are quite a few that bought the auto-renewing subscription to "The Wizard" and his greatness. Can't believe that someone who drove this franchise onto the off ramp to mediocrity managed to pull the wool over the eyes of so many.

What an obtuse post.

Treliving left the Flames, his choice, and go on to become the GM of the Toronto Msple Leafs. He didn’t get fired and become the AGM of the Ducks.

[Freeway]

All-told, Treliving was probably the... second-best GM in Flames history or thereabouts. Definitely behind Cliff Fletcher. Probably ahead of Sutter because he had more regular season success and left a much better scouting and development apparatus than he inherited (or that Sutter left behind).


Not perfect, but I don't think it's possible to be a perfect GM in a cap environment.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

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Mangiapane, Dube, Sharangovich, Coleman, Pelletier, Coronato is not a great collection of wingers. But it isn't awful. If Sharangovich takes a step, and Pelletier and/or Coronato blossom, and they can add a solid player from a Hanifin trade, then you're really starting to get some depth and strength on the wings.

This team is no where near as far away as some fans think.

Pelletier and Coronato are complete wild cards, no one knows what they may or may not bring next year. Sharangovitch watched his team play when it really mattered, he wasn't a player his old team thought could move the needle. Dube has never proven he can be a top 6 producer in the NHL. Mang we all hope for a bounce back, he should be a productive player.

That is a scary group of wingers to go into a season with if your expectations are to be a competitive team and make noise in the playoffs.

Saying this team is not as far away as some might think? If this team is not there Right Now what are we thinking we are going to add that will get us there? Cause I don't see anything coming.

[Sandman]

Treliving had a lot of problems to deal with, stemming from being at the helm of a small-market Canadian team, and working with a meddling owner. He made some questionable moves, like all GM’s do, but he improved our scouting, drafting, and development many times over, and gave us some great teams to watch- one that finished 2nd overall, and one that finished with one of the highest point totals in Flames history.

We might complain about Huberdeau now, but there’s a reason the media called the summer of 2022 the “Summer of Treliving”. The hockey world, and all of us on CP, thought he made out like a bandit in the Tkachuk trade. Not his fault it all fell apart.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Lindholm has perfect English. The google translate makes it seem like it's a bit broken so hard to really say what they exact quote is.

Uh, the interview was in Swedish. I am not sure what Lindholm's fluency in English has to do with a translation of things he said in Swedish.

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[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Uh, the interview was in Swedish. I am not sure what Lindholm's fluency in English has to do with a translation of things he said in Swedish.

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What makes you think Lindholm knows Swedish? He’s a white hockey player on a Canadian team. The interview was obviously in English and then translated to Swedish and then back to English. This is the only possible reason for the great Paulie’s post. He’s never got things twisted before.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Sandman

We might complain about Huberdeau now, but there’s a reason the media called the summer of 2022 the “Summer of Treliving”. The hockey world, and all of us on CP, thought he made out like a bandit in the Tkachuk trade. Not his fault it all fell apart.

The first thing that Brad said after Gaudreau left was that he's not going to overreact. Signing Huberdeau to an 8 year deal before watching him play a game was an overreaction! If Tre didn't want the risk of the guys he brought in a trade leaving, then he shouldn't have traded for upcoming UFAs.

The trade for Tkachuk itself was great. The Flames got great value, and flexibility by that move. They lost a lot of that flexibility before the off-season was over. They did it by signing Huberdeau, by trading Monahan and signing Kadri, which was also a bit of an overreaction IMO.

I was happy with those moves as well, mostly because I didn't want to see the Oilers send the Flames into a rebuild after how the playoffs went. Hindsight 20/20 those extra $7M-$17.5M in cap space could've really helped the Flames in this off-season, and really sped up any potential retool.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Having a 1-2 punch of Lindholm and Kadri is pretty strong top 6 centre depth.

Who would be better?

Edmonton - McDavid - Draisaitl
Vancouver - Pettersson - Miller
LA - Kopitar - Dubois
Vegas - Eichel - Stephenson
Colorado - MacKinnon - Johansen
Dallas - Hintz - Pavelski
St Louis - Kyrou - Thomas
Carolina - Aho - Necas
New Jersey - Hughes - Hirschier
Rangers - Zibanajed -Trochek
Islanders - Barzal - Nelson
Pittsburgh - Crosby - Malkin
Toronto - Matthews - Tavares
Tampa - Stamkos - Point
Florida - Barkov - Reinhart
Buffalo - Thompson - Cozens
Ottawa - Stutzle - Giroux

So the Flames pretty strong center depth is roughly the 18th best center depth out of 32 teams.