2023 Toronto Blue Jays Season Thread

[Beninho]

This team is kind of the reverse of the 2021 team. Elite defence and pitching but instead of career years at the plate their are multiple guys with career lows. The good news is I’d rather have elite pitching and defence than hitting in the playoffs if I had to choose. The Jays history over the last 10 years kind of proves that. They have had some power house offences fall short while average hitting teams like the Royals and Braves managed to win one, obviously the hitting can pick it up though.

[Kasi]

This team is basically the 2016 team. Average hitting with good starting pitching and defence.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Tidy little W today. Just like Atkins drew it up.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Kasi

This team is basically the 2016 team. Average hitting with good starting pitching and defence.

The pitching is much better though

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

4 runs in 3 games against a bad ball club. Yeesh. I'll take the 2 W's but this doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. Matinee tomorrow. Hopefully they can score a couple runs and take 3 of 4.

The Guardians are a team built on pitching, speed, and defense first. They can't hit worth a #### and we know how bad the Blue Jays have been in clutch situations with men on base this year.

The Blue Jays are #1 in ERA at 3.72. The Guardians are #2 at 3.77. If you expected anything other than this type of baseball this series you were kidding yourself. Be happy they won the series playing that brand of ball.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Beninho

The pitching is much better though

I think it’s pretty close to a draw there. 111 (this year) vs 113 ERA+. And that was the one really insane year by Sanchez and Estrada and Happ were excellent. Osuna was the best he ever was and Liriano was insane down the stretch. I think this current team has the potential to be better but weirdly that year Stroman was our worst starter. Odd parallels to Manoahs struggles this year.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Not like they have been better. He is still the best of the three players this year. I suppose if you think Moreno willbe good going forward but no guarantee of that.

Gurriel is putting up way better offensive numbers than Varsho and it’s not even close.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Not like they have been better. He is still the best of the three players this year. I suppose if you think Moreno willbe good going forward but no guarantee of that.

Lourdes is also a pending free agent no?

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

The Guardians are a team built on pitching, speed, and defense first. They can't hit worth a #### and we know how bad the Blue Jays have been in clutch situations with men on base this year.

The Blue Jays are #1 in ERA at 3.72. The Guardians are #2 at 3.77. If you expected anything other than this type of baseball this series you were kidding yourself. Be happy they won the series playing that brand of ball.

I was going to say, the Guardians are a mediocre to bad team because they only have 2 runs themselves in 3 games. If they had a Blue Jay like offence they'd have a similar record.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Gurriel is putting up way better offensive numbers than Varsho and it’s not even close.

Last I checked hitting isn’t the only thing a player does. But since June 1 here he has a 69 WRC and is really bad because he doesn’t have Varshos defence and baserunning. We all know what Gurriel is a guy who has a really good 4-6 weeks a year and sucks the rest of the time.

[KelVarnsen]

The Varsho trade is a loss for the Jays. Full stop.

[Kasi]

It’s a loss because of other things the assets could have got us. Not because of what we lost. Moreno is not better now than either of our catchers and Gurriel is what he is. And the all star holds little weight to me Espinal was one last year after all. I don’t think the team has handled Varsho very well. Out of spring training they were putting him in the cleanup spot which I think was a big mistake.

And sorry also just way too early to call this a loss. Last year people here declared Berrios a failure and that Kikuchi was a total bust and should be DFAd. This year they’re our number 2-3 starters and are pitching excellently. Give Varsho an offseason to settle on and I expect him to be much better next year. Also still much better than Vlad.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

I still struggle to understand how acquiring Varsho cost the Jays both Moreno and Gurriel. What a laughably bad trade.

Horrendous.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

So, if Schneider plays they win?

Seems like an easy solution to their issues.

[Machiavelli]

Afternoon game today!

[KootenayFlamesFan]

A clutch hit? Feels weird.

[KelVarnsen]

Espy gets a RBI!

Maybe the Jays should keep him and DFA DeJong

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Only so much Manoah can do. Jays bats need to wake up.

[Hockey]

Only getting 1 run against Syndergaard so far is not good

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I love when the Jays have 2 strikes on them and don't protect the plate. Just stand there watching strike 3 go by.