How much damage did Covid do?

[JohnnyBeGood]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

TBH, I kinda used the pandemic to try a lot of different things to see if I'd enjoy them. A few I'm happy to report I'll never do again (ie: sourdough), but others like making stuff for high tea, baking bread/buns, charcoal bbq etc. I continue to do. It's stuff I've always done I presume but I expanded the recipes and frequency of what I make now.

A chance to do repairs around the house and tinker with convenience technology was fun. I kept the good stuff and I turfed the crappy stuff.

I would like a t-shirt that says 'I survived the Rona without making sourdough bread!'

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Russic

Purely anecdotal, but by virtue of having a spouse in the teaching profession, I speak to a lot of teachers. It seems (to me) that since the return to school, some teachers are experiencing problems on a new level. Drugs (like, the good ones) ending up in middle schools, fights everywhere (and happening in class), student-on-teacher assaults... my wife had lunch with a colleague yesterday that reported an actual parent/student fist fight that happened in her school this year (grade 8).

There is a theory that stress in early life is a massive contributor to all sorts of ailments, a big one being ADHD. It will be interesting to see rates of that (which are already rising like crazy) as the kids conceived and born in early covid start hitting kindergarten in the next 1-3 years. It doesn't matter what side of the great battle you were on, stress was a huge component of the last 3 years.

Now, I know its not PC necessarily, but....how many students do you think you could take?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Locke

Now, I know its not PC necessarily, but....how many students do you think you could take?

I think it depends on if this is meth or not.

Drugs (like, the good ones)

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think it depends on if this is meth or not.

Yeah, but Russic took on a Wolf and kicked its ass...I think he could take on a record number of measly minor humans.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by JohnnyBeGood

I would like a t-shirt that says 'I survived the Rona without making sourdough bread!'

I want this shirt:
“My five shots helped me survive COVID.”

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Locke

Now, I know its not PC necessarily, but....how many students do you think you could take?

Would you rather fight 10 student-sized teachers or 1 teacher-sized student?

[Azure]

To a certain extent I know my viewpoint is framed based on hindsight.

So its easy to say now 'oh we should have done this, should have done that.'

But at the end of the day there are a couple things that I think we would all agree are true.

The pharmaceutical industry is corrupt and would kill your grandma for a dollar.
The government is in bed with big business.

Both those things lined up to deal with almost a perfect storm of issues where governments were making decisions and rules not based on science or actual medical evidence, but based on emotion, pandering and lining of pockets.

When you have investors like Bill Gates cashing out hundreds of millions of dollars, and you can follow his rhetoric where he spent a bunch of timing playing up the vaccines, telling governments they need to do this, and presenting it as the saviour for mankind, and then all of a sudden he sells a bunch of stock, and starts questioning the efficiency and effectiveness of the same vaccine.

Nevermind the fact that taxpayers paid for a LOT of what the vaccines cost to develop, and Pfizer and their greedy band of #######s ran off with billions.
Third world countries got the shaft.
Pecking orders for rich nations
Etc, etc

The repercussions will be long and lasting.

Sadly many in the rich nations were happy to accept all this because of their fear for something that in the end wasn't much of a risk statistically, especially if one got vaccinated, which I'd imagine most did that actually took it seriously.
It only looked worse because of the fear mongering done by the media, etc.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Russic

Purely anecdotal, but by virtue of having a spouse in the teaching profession, I speak to a lot of teachers. It seems (to me) that since the return to school, some teachers are experiencing problems on a new level.

It doesn't matter what side of the great battle you were on, stress was a huge component of the last 3 years.

Also purely anecdotal for me. My son is an instructor at one of UCalgary's day camps that run during the summer, it is the 3rd summer he has been doing it (one pre Covid and 2 post Covid). The kids in his camps are from one of two age groups - one is Grades 2-3 and the other is 4-6 and will be one or the other in alternating weeks. This year he and other instructors have noticed a definite behavioral and maturity difference in the older group. While both groups are young the older group has always been somewhat more mature for the most part, until this year. This age group coincides with the kids who were in their first years of school when Covid arrived and thus spent a significant amount of time at home. The younger group has been back in a school/group environment their entire school lives and ti really shows in the behavioral differences.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Azure

To a certain extent I know my viewpoint is framed based on hindsight.

So its easy to say now 'oh we should have done this, should have done that.'

But at the end of the day there are a couple things that I think we would all agree are true.

The pharmaceutical industry is corrupt and would kill your grandma for a dollar.
The government is in bed with big business.

Both those things lined up to deal with almost a perfect storm of issues where governments were making decisions and rules not based on science or actual medical evidence, but based on emotion, pandering and lining of pockets.

When you have investors like Bill Gates cashing out hundreds of millions of dollars, and you can follow his rhetoric where he spent a bunch of timing playing up the vaccines, telling governments they need to do this, and presenting it as the saviour for mankind, and then all of a sudden he sells a bunch of stock, and starts questioning the efficiency and effectiveness of the same vaccine.

Nevermind the fact that taxpayers paid for a LOT of what the vaccines cost to develop, and Pfizer and their greedy band of #######s ran off with billions.
Third world countries got the shaft.
Pecking orders for rich nations
Etc, etc

The repercussions will be long and lasting.

Sadly many in the rich nations were happy to accept all this because of their fear for something that in the end wasn't much of a risk statistically, especially if one got vaccinated, which I'd imagine most did that actually took it seriously.
It only looked worse because of the fear mongering done by the media, etc.

Nah.... its in the best interest of the Pharmaceutical Companies to keep people alive and paying for meds. I never get this argument. Why would they kill their customers ?

[you&me]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Would you rather fight 10 student-sized teachers or 1 teacher-sized student?

Do those student-sized teachers retain their adult strength? Does that teacher-sized student still have pathetic child-strength?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Locke

Now, I know its not PC necessarily, but....how many students do you think you could take?

We talking about drugged up teenagers? I'm guessing the answer for a lot of guys in here is zero. In a drugged up teenager vs. middle aged keyboard jockey battle, the smart money is on the teenager.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by blankall

We talking about drugged up teenagers? I'm guessing the answer for a lot of guys in here is zero. In a drugged up teenager vs. middle aged keyboard jockey battle, the smart money is on the teenager.

True. They have the stamina and inability to feel pain.

But we have jobs and ergo money for weapons!

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Locke

True. They have the stamina and inability to feel pain.

But we have jobs and ergo money for weapons!

Needles and pipes are weapons to tho. .

[Russic]

Originally Posted by Locke

Now, I know its not PC necessarily, but....how many students do you think you could take?

Grade 8 is when the kids start pulling away from me in reach distance, so I gotta think I might not be able to take more than 1. Give me a nearly dead wolf any day.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Azure

Both those things lined up to deal with almost a perfect storm of issues where governments were making decisions and rules not based on science or actual medical evidence, but based on emotion, pandering and lining of pockets.

When you have investors like Bill Gates cashing out hundreds of millions of dollars, and you can follow his rhetoric where he spent a bunch of timing playing up the vaccines, telling governments they need to do this, and presenting it as the saviour for mankind, and then all of a sudden he sells a bunch of stock, and starts questioning the efficiency and effectiveness of the same vaccine.

Nevermind the fact that taxpayers paid for a LOT of what the vaccines cost to develop, and Pfizer and their greedy band of #######s ran off with billions.
Third world countries got the shaft.
Pecking orders for rich nations
Etc, etc

This is a bit revisionist. The vaccines were incredibly effective against the original strain, 99%+. If they could have developed and widely rolled those out fast enough, COVID would have been eradicated.

When this was no longer the case, they were slow to adapt policy. Just as they were with things like cloth masks and surface disinfection recommendations.

[Snuffleupagus]

In 1918 the world population was 1.8 billion, the Spanish flu infected an estimated 500 million and killed 50 million people worldwide, if we can't get over this "small" pandemic there's really not much hope for humankind.

[MoneyGuy]

No one’s saying we won’t get over it. That doesn’t mean the toll hasn’t been severe, especially for those who have lost a loved one or have long COVID, to name some of the worst consequences.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

In 1918 the world population was 1.8 billion, the Spanish flu infected an estimated 500 million and killed 50 million people worldwide, if we can't get over this "small" pandemic there's really not much hope for humankind.

I think the "bigger" problems were already there, and just exacerbated/exposed.

[PeteMoss]

Why are we mad at Pfizer for making billions off producing a vaccine for Covid?

Companies make billions off all kinds of nonsense. A few blocks from me there is a McDonalds which makes billions getting people fat. And a Walmart that makes billions off goods that made in sweatshops all the world.

Of all the things companies (including Pfizer) do to make billions - producing a vaccine for an illness seems pretty low on the list of things I'd get mad about.

[Agamemnon]

Yeah we're all big fans of capitalism until someone makes a profit off us...