2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Mr.Coffee]

Tkachuk is not repeating what he did last year ever again. In fact, he will be around 80-90 points. Come at me.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Tkachuk is not repeating what he did last year ever again. In fact, he will be around 80-90 points. Come at me.

Lol sounds like what people around here were saying last off season too.

Offense, defense, physicality, eye test, analytics, it doesn’t matter. Tkachuk passes every test with flying colors and is a top 5 player in the league.

[cannon7]

Tkachuk will hit a wall eventually. Like his pop did. But it likely won't be until he's 30+.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Tkachuk will hit a wall eventually. Like his pop did. But it likely won't be until he's 30+.

So, Tkachuk will slow down in his 30's... kinda like every other professional athlete?

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Tkachuk is not repeating what he did last year ever again. In fact, he will be around 80-90 points. Come at me.

Heard an interesting stat a while ago, he's the only active American player with two consecutive +100 point seasons. Meaning guys like Patty Kane and Austin Mathews etc. haven't done it. Not sure if it's very meaningful stat though, all it takes is an decent length injury in the regular season in to cut of that streak. I think the question with him was more about can he do it in the playoffs when it really matters.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Meh. If you somebody wants to use what to this point is an outlier of data as the baseline in projecting an eight year deal then so be it. To me that seems like an exercise in futility.

Well the data is all subjective anyways, we only have one data point for him playing on the Flames. Say whatever you want about his other stats, they were with an entirely different set of players. Year he had 115 the Panthers they had 4 30 goal guys and another at 28.
Last year we had 1 and now he plays for the Devils.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

So, Tkachuk will slow down in his 30's... kinda like every other professional athlete?

Not Lidstrom!

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Heard an interesting stat a while ago, he's the only active American player with two consecutive +100 point seasons. Meaning guys like Patty Kane and Austin Mathews etc. haven't done it. Not sure if it's very meaningful stat though, all it takes is an decent length injury in the regular season in to cut of that streak. I think the question with him was more about can he do it in the playoffs when it really matters.

Not quite the same stat, but according to Wikipedia, only 124 players in NHL history have 100-point seasons. Only 17 have ever done it with two different teams. I'd have to look through the list to see how many of those 17 have done it in back to back seasons (other than Tkachuk and (obviously) Gretzky).

Edit: looked it up, doing US first then I'll look at all

According to NHL.com stats, US-born players with back-to-backs (same or different teams) (all-time) (from earliest to latest) are:

* Jimmy Carson. 87-88 (LAK), 88-89 (EDM)
Brett Hull: 88-89, 89-90, 90-91, 91-92 (STL)
Kevin Stevens: 91-92, 92-93 (PIT)
Jeremy Roenick: 91-92, 92-93, 93-94 (CHI)
* Matthew Tkachuk: 21-22 (CGY), 22-23 (FLA)

* Back-to-backs with different teams

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Huberdeau https://theathletic.com/4690343/2023...yko-huberdeau/



Tkachuk https://theathletic.com/4687006/2023...-hughes-makar/

This is so stupid. How is Tkachuk worth $15M-$17M?

Just seems like some random model thrown at the wall.

[Monahammer]

But seriously, knowing what we do now is there anyone here that wouldn't go back in time ans offer Tkachuk 12m a season for 8 years and the C?

I would no doubt.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Not quite the same stat, but according to Wikipedia, only 124 players in NHL history have 100-point seasons. Only 17 have ever done it with two different teams. I'd have to look through the list to see how many of those 17 have done it in back to back seasons (other than Tkachuk and (obviously) Gretzky).

Edit: looked it up, doing US fist then I'll look at all

According to NHL.com stats, US-born players with back-to-backs (same or different teams) (all-time) (from earliest to latest) are:

Jimmy Carson. 87-88 (LAK), 88-89 (EDM)
Brett Hull: 88-89, 89-90, 90-91, 91-92 (STL)
Kevin Stevens: 91-92, 92-93 (PIT)
Jeremy Roenick: 91-92, 92-93, 93-94 (CHI)
Matthew Tkachuk: 21-22 (CGY), 22-23 (FLA)

only one current HOFER on that list and he was born in Canada

[FanIn80]

All players in NHL history with back-to-back 100pt seasons (going all the way back to 1917)

Glenn Anderson: 81-82, 82-83 (EDM)
Mike Bossy: 80-81, 81-82, 82-83, 83-84, 84-85 (NYI)
Pavel Bure: 92-93, 93-94 (VAN)
* Jimmy Carson. 87-88 (LAK), 88-89 (EDM)
Bobby Clarke: 74-75, 75-76 (PHI)
Paul Coffey: 83-84, 84-85, 85-86 (EDM)
Paul Coffey: 88-89, 89-90 (PIT)
Sidney Crosby: 05-06, 06-07 (PIT)
Sidney Crosby: 08-09, 09-10 (PIT)
Marcel Dionne: 78-79, 79-80. 80-81, 81-82, 82-83 (LAK)
Leon Draisaitl: 18-19, 19-20 (EDM)
Leon Draisaitl: 21-22, 22-23 (EDM)
Phil Esposito: 70-71, 71-72, 72-73, 73-74, 74-75 (BOS)
Bernie Federko: 83-84, 84-85, 85-86 (STL)
Doug Gilmour: 92-93, 93-94 (TOR)
Michel Goulet: 82-83, 83-84 (QUE)
* Wayne Gretzky: 79-80, 80-81, 81-82, 82-83, 83-84, 84-85, 85-86, 86-87, 87-88 (EDM), 88-89. 89-90, 90-91, 91-92 (LAK)
Dany Heatley: 05-06, 06-07 (OTT)
Brett Hull: 88-89, 89-90, 90-91, 91-92 (STL)
Jaromir Jagr: 97-98, 98-99 (PIT)
Nikita Kucherov: 17-18, 18-19 (TBL)
Jari Kurri: 82-83, 83-84, 84-85, 85-86, 86-87 (EDM)
Guy Lafleur: 74-75, 75-76, 76-77, 77-78, 78-79, 79-80 (MTL)
Mario Lemieux: 84-85, 85-86, 86-87, 87-88, 88-89, 89-90 (PIT)
Mario Lemieux: 91-92, 92-93 (PIT)
Mario Lemieux: 95-96, 96-97 (PIT)
Peter Mahovlich: 74-75, 75-76 (MTL)
Evgeni Malkin: 07-08, 08-09 (PIT)
Connor McDavid: 16-17, 17-18, 18-19 (EDM)
Connor McDavid: 20-21, 21-22, 22-23 (EDM)
Mark Messier: 82-83, 83-84 (EDM)
Mark Messier: 86-87, 87-88 (EDM)
** Bernie Nicholls: 88-89 (LAK), 89-90 (LAK/EDM)
Bobby Orr: 69-70, 70-71, 71-72, 72-73, 73-74, 74-75 (BOS)
Alex Ovechkin: 07-08, 08-09, 09-10 (WSH)
Barry Pederson: 82-83, 83-84 (BOS)
Mark Recchi: 92-93, 93-94 (PHI)
Luc Robitaille: 91-92, 92-93 (LAK)
Jeremy Roenick: 91-92, 92-93, 93-94 (CHI)
* Mike Rogers: 79-80, 80-81 (HFD), 81-82 (NYR)
Joe Sakic: 89-90, 90-91 (QUE)
Denis Savard: 81-82, 82-83 (CHI)
Denis Savard: 84-85, 85-86 (CHI)
** Teemu Selanne: 95-96 (WPG/ANA), 96-97 (ANA)
Charlie Simmer: 79-80, 80-81 (LAK)
Peter Stastny: 80-81, 81-82, 82-83, 83-84, 84-85, 85-86 (QUE)
Kevin Stevens: 91-92, 92-93 (PIT)
Dave Taylor: 80-81, 81-82 (LAK)
** Joe Thornton 05-06 (BOS/SJS), 06-07 (SJS)
* Matthew Tkachuk: 21-22 (CGY), 22-23 (FLA)
Bryan Trottier: 77-78, 78-79, 79-80, 80-81, 81-82 (NYI)
Steve Yzerman: 87-88, 88-89. 89-90, 90-91, 91-92 (DET)

* Back-to-back with different teams
** Back-to-back with different teams, but one of the seasons was split between the teams

Edit: Paul Coffee has consecutive 100pt streaks with two different teams, but they each started and ended with the same team

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by looooob

only one current HOFER on that list and he was born in Canada

I know, right? I'm still not completely over that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Heard an interesting stat a while ago, he's the only active American player with two consecutive +100 point seasons. Meaning guys like Patty Kane and Austin Mathews etc. haven't done it. Not sure if it's very meaningful stat though, all it takes is an decent length injury in the regular season in to cut of that streak. I think the question with him was more about can he do it in the playoffs when it really matters.

Tkachuk is one of the greatest players of his generation. Shame we could not sign him for more term but we had the Real Deal at the time.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

All players in NHL history with back-to-back 100pt seasons (going all the way back to 1917)

Glenn Anderson: 81-82, 82-83 (EDM)
Mike Bossy: 80-81, 81-82, 82-83, 83-84, 84-85 (NYI)
Pavel Bure: 92-93, 93-94 (VAN)
* Jimmy Carson. 87-88 (LAK), 88-89 (EDM)
Bobby Clarke: 74-75, 75-76 (PHI)
Paul Coffey: 83-84, 84-85, 85-86 (EDM)
Paul Coffey: 88-89, 89-90 (PIT)
Sidney Crosby: 05-06, 06-07 (PIT)
Sidney Crosby: 08-09, 09-10 (PIT)
Marcel Dionne: 78-79, 79-80. 80-81, 81-82, 82-83 (LAK)
Leon Draisaitl: 18-19, 19-20 (EDM)
Leon Draisaitl: 21-22, 22-23 (EDM)
Phil Esposito: 70-71, 71-72, 72-73, 73-74, 74-75 (BOS)
Bernie Federko: 83-84, 84-85, 85-86 (STL)
Doug Gilmour: 92-93, 93-94 (TOR)
Michel Goulet: 82-83, 83-84 (QUE)
* Wayne Gretzky: 79-80, 80-81, 81-82, 82-83, 83-84, 84-85, 85-86, 86-87, 87-88 (EDM), 88-89. 89-90, 90-91, 91-92 (LAK)
Dany Heatley: 05-06, 06-07 (OTT)
Brett Hull: 88-89, 89-90, 90-91, 91-92 (STL)
Jaromir Jagr: 97-98, 98-99 (PIT)
Nikita Kucherov: 17-18, 18-19 (TBL)
Jari Kurri: 82-83, 83-84, 84-85, 85-86, 86-87 (EDM)
Guy Lafleur: 74-75, 75-76, 76-77, 77-78, 78-79, 79-80 (MTL)
Mario Lemieux: 84-85, 85-86, 86-87, 87-88, 88-89, 89-90 (PIT)
Mario Lemieux: 91-92, 92-93 (PIT)
Mario Lemieux: 95-96, 96-97 (PIT)
Peter Mahovlich: 74-75, 75-76 (MTL)
Evgeni Malkin: 07-08, 08-09 (PIT)
Connor McDavid: 16-17, 17-18, 18-19 (EDM)
Connor McDavid: 20-21, 21-22, 22-23 (EDM)
Mark Messier: 82-83, 83-84 (EDM)
Mark Messier: 86-87, 87-88 (EDM)
** Bernie Nicholls: 88-89 (LAK), 89-90 (LAK/EDM)
Bobby Orr: 69-70, 70-71, 71-72, 72-73, 73-74, 74-75 (BOS)
Alex Ovechkin: 07-08, 08-09, 09-10 (WSH)
Barry Pederson: 82-83, 83-84 (BOS)
Mark Recchi: 92-93, 93-94 (PHI)
Luc Robitaille: 91-92, 92-93 (LAK)
Jeremy Roenick: 91-92, 92-93, 93-94 (CHI)
* Mike Rogers: 79-80, 80-81 (HFD), 81-82 (NYR)
Joe Sakic: 89-90, 90-91 (QUE)
Denis Savard: 81-82, 82-83 (CHI)
Denis Savard: 84-85, 85-86 (CHI)
** Teemu Selanne: 95-96 (WPG/ANA), 96-97 (ANA)
Charlie Simmer: 79-80, 80-81 (LAK)
Peter Stastny: 80-81, 81-82, 82-83, 83-84, 84-85, 85-86 (QUE)
Kevin Stevens: 91-92, 92-93 (PIT)
Dave Taylor: 80-81, 81-82 (LAK)
** Joe Thornton 05-06 (BOS/SJS), 06-07 (SJS)
* Matthew Tkachuk: 21-22 (CGY), 22-23 (FLA)
Bryan Trottier: 77-78, 78-79, 79-80, 80-81, 81-82 (NYI)
Steve Yzerman: 87-88, 88-89. 89-90, 90-91, 91-92 (DET)

* Back-to-back with different teams
** Back-to-back with different teams, but one of the seasons was split between the teams

Edit: Paul Coffee has consecutive 100pt streaks with two different teams, but they each started and ended with the same team

the real hero of this list is Marcel Dionne- he dragged not one, but two guys onto the list with him

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by looooob

the real hero of this list is Marcel Dionne- he dragged not one, but two guys onto the list with him

Charlie Simmer for sure, but wasn't Dave Taylor good?

Edit: He's a 1000pt career guy, but yeah... literally his only two 100pt seasons were on that one line lol. Crazy. The way I remembered him, I thought he'd have more than just those two.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by bax

Lol sounds like what people around here were saying last off season too.

Offense, defense, physicality, eye test, analytics, it doesn’t matter. Tkachuk passes every test with flying colors and is a top 5 player in the league.

I was one of those people and to be fair he took his game to the next level in Florida that we didn't see in Calgary. I'm not sure he's going to be an annual 100+ point guy but I don't see any reason he can't remain a consistent 90+ point player in Florida for the next 5 seasons.

[Hackey]

Hindsight is 20/20 but if we would have locked him up long term from the start we likely would have known these answers while he still had term left. I also think he would have had way less leverage/incentive to ask for a trade. Knowing he could sign a 1 year deal and walk to UFA gave him all the leverage. At a minimum it would have gave the Flames more options in trades if he had 3+ years remaining. Predicting back to back 100 pts seasons I don't think anyone could have known, but you knew he was a legit top line player in his early 20s. You should never bridge a player like that. Lessons learned....maybe.

[stemit14]

I suppose Boston’s top options for replacing two centres (assuming Krecji calls it a career as well) are Lindholm, Scheifele and Backlund. Their biggest problem is that they don’t have much draft or prospect capital to acquire those guys and they are already losing so many guys from their core that they likely would not want to give up any quality players from their roster.

If they are after two centres, Scheifele and Backlund would probably fit them the best. One that’s more offensively skilled one that’s a solid two-way centre. They have no first round pick until 2026 but I think it would be a smart gamble for a team to value that pick as a part of the package. I think Boston could be due for a setback in the next couple years even if they do replace Bergeron and Krecji with two of Lindholm/Backlund/Scheifele. That pick could be higher than people think. Obviously it would have to be only part of the return for Lindholm or Scheifele if Boston was serious about getting those type of players (with salary retained).

Would love to get Frederic included in any kind of deal with them but I think he’s too much of a classic bruin-type player for them to give him up.


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[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I suppose Boston’s top options for replacing two centres (assuming Krecji calls it a career as well) are Lindholm, Scheifele and Backlund. Their biggest problem is that they don’t have much draft or prospect capital to acquire those guys and they are already losing so many guys from their core that they likely would not want to give up any quality players from their roster.

If they are after two centres, Scheifele and Backlund would probably fit them the best. One that’s more offensively skilled one that’s a solid two-way centre. They have no first round pick until 2026 but I think it would be a smart gamble for a team to value that pick as a part of the package. I think Boston could be due for a setback in the next couple years even if they do replace Bergeron and Krecji with two of Lindholm/Backlund/Scheifele. That pick could be higher than people think. Obviously it would have to be only part of the return for Lindholm or Scheifele if Boston was serious about getting those type of players (with salary retained).

Would love to get Frederic included in any kind of deal with them but I think he’s too much of a classic bruin-type player for them to give him up.


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If I’m Boston I’m standing pat . They don’t have a prospect base to be trading away. There is also no point of trading someone like debrusk to fill the centre need only to leave another hole elsewhere. Because it’s Boston they can probably wait till free agency and get guys to sign for those positions of needs. Even a bad Boston team will have more players wanting to go there over a team like Calgary or the peg. They could also rebuild even if they don’t have firsts for a couple years.