2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[SuperMatt18]

I do think like everything it's a balanced mix on the roster that's the key to winning.

Focus just on size and truculance and you'll be lacking in other areas. Focus on just speed and skill and that won't lead to playoff success generally.

I do think when you look at a roster though it has proven to be more important to be big on defense than at forward.

Forward: More balanced combination of size, speed, and skill. Smaller forwards are okay if they are producing like top 6 forwards but can't have an entire line up of them.

Defense: Big, mobile, puck movers. If you can move the puck quickly, and then use your size and skating to eliminate space in the defensive zone you're laughing. Vegas, Colorado, and Tampa have all been examples of this IMO.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do think like everything it's a balanced mix on the roster that's the key to winning.

Focus just on size and truculance and you'll be lacking in other areas. Focus on just speed and skill and that won't lead to playoff success generally.

I do think when you look at a roster though it has proven to be more important to be big on defense than at forward.

Forward: More balanced combination of size, speed, and skill. Smaller forwards are okay if they are producing like top 6 forwards but can't have an entire line up of them.

Defense: Big, mobile, puck movers. If you can move the puck quickly, and then use your size and skating to eliminate space in the defensive zone you're laughing. Vegas, Colorado, and Tampa have all been examples of this IMO.

There is also a difference between having a big team by averages and having some players that have elite level intangibles.

Gaudreau was fast but he wasn't McDavid or Mackinnon fast
Tkachuk is a big forward but he isn't Rantanen big
Monahan was big - but nobody knew
Lindholm plays physical but is average size and speed
Mangiapane plays bigger than he is but he is average speed and small
Backlund is fast but average skilled
Coleman brings the forechek and speed but he's average size
Dube brings high end speed and uses his body but average skill and small
Kadri plays physical but is average size and speed
Huberdeau is big with skill but is not physical or fast and isn't elite level big

You add a guy that is 6'4' and 225+lbs that brings high end skill or add some depth players than are both big and fast to the existing roster and the mix next year could be so much better than last year.

This is why I was ok with the Honzek pick. He has elite level size.

Moore has elite level speed so I would have been good with him as well.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do think like everything it's a balanced mix on the roster that's the key to winning.

Focus just on size and truculance and you'll be lacking in other areas. Focus on just speed and skill and that won't lead to playoff success generally.

I do think when you look at a roster though it has proven to be more important to be big on defense than at forward.

Forward: More balanced combination of size, speed, and skill. Smaller forwards are okay if they are producing like top 6 forwards but can't have an entire line up of them.

Defense: Big, mobile, puck movers. If you can move the puck quickly, and then use your size and skating to eliminate space in the defensive zone you're laughing. Vegas, Colorado, and Tampa have all been examples of this IMO.

Exactly why Hanifin is so valuable -and must garner a huge return.

I think you need big skill in your top 6 especially for playoff times. People may note Marchessault and he was great but at finishing the plays. Eichel was pretty amazing.

Different era but the Getzlaf Ducks (2006 especially) were a big team but had tremendous size skill and toughness on the top line. It's more about power. Mackinnon isn't huge (six feet) but he's powerful.

IMO a team needs to be explosive and powerful which can manifest in speed skill and toughness.

[jayswin]

^^^^^

Exactly

[The Original FFIV]

Pretty well thought article on the hockey writers about landing spots for backlund.

However, doesn’t take into account that minny needs to sign Gustvsson. So not as flush in cap space. Might be able to take some money back to make it work.

Columbus. Needs C and has cap room. Not sure what they could offer in return.

Boston. Waiting on Bergeron and Krejci. Talk is they might want scheifele. Not sure if they want backlund or what they could offer.

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...-destinations/

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Pretty well thought article on the hockey writers about landing spots for backlund.

However, doesn’t take into account that minny needs to sign Gustvsson. So not as flush in cap space. Might be able to take some money back to make it work.

Columbus. Needs C and has cap room. Not sure what they could offer in return.

Boston. Waiting on Bergeron and Krejci. Talk is they might want scheifele. Not sure if they want backlund or what they could offer.

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...-destinations/

You gotta think that if one or both of Bergeron/Krejci doesn't return, the Bruins will be major buyers. Not sure about their capital, or if they are willing to part with it...

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Sandman

You gotta think that if one or both of Bergeron/Kreijci doesn't return, the Bruins will be major buyers.

Lindholm come on down!!

[Sandman]

Just spitballin'....

What about trading Lindholm for something around Swayman? It's all over the internet that Boston wants to trade a goalie, and it would allow us to trade one of Markstrom or Vladar (seems like there's a fairly good market for Vladar).

Boston also has RW Fabian Lysell, C Matt Poitras, D Mason Lohrei, and C Brett Harrison. I've long been a fan of 6'3"C Johnny Beecher, who has struggled to put up offense thus far in the NCAA and AHL- but he's a fantastic skater, ultra-competitive, and rugged as hell. They just drafted C Beckett Hendrickson in the 2023 Draft, who I did a write-up on, and I rather like him too. The latter 2 players are American, though....

Then there's the usual LW Jake DeBrusk, and D Brandon Carlo that are both good. I would be over the moon if they were willing to part with C Pavel Zacha, or C Trent Frederic.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Just spitballin'....

What about trading Lindholm for something around Swayman? It's all over the internet that Boston wants to trade a goalie, and it would allow us to trade one of Markstrom or Vladar (seems like there's a fairly good market for Vladar).

Boston also has RW Fabian Lysell, C Matt Poitras, D Mason Lohrei, and C Brett Harrison. I've long been a fan of 6'3"C Johnny Beecher, who has struggled to put up offense thus far in the NCAA and AHL- but he's a fantastic skater, ultra-competitive, and rugged as hell. They just drafted C Beckett Hendrickson in the 2023 Draft, who I did a write-up on, and I rather like him too. The latter 2 players are American, though....

Then there's the usual LW Jake DeBrusk, and D Brandon Carlo that are both good. I would be over the moon if they were willing to part with C Pavel Zacha, or C Trent Frederic.

If Calgary trades Vladar, it’s to open up a spot for Wolf.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Just spitballin'....

What about trading Lindholm for something around Swayman? It's all over the internet that Boston wants to trade a goalie, and it would allow us to trade one of Markstrom or Vladar (seems like there's a fairly good market for Vladar).

Boston also has RW Fabian Lysell, C Matt Poitras, D Mason Lohrei, and C Brett Harrison. I've long been a fan of 6'3"C Johnny Beecher, who has struggled to put up offense thus far in the NCAA and AHL- but he's a fantastic skater, ultra-competitive, and rugged as hell. They just drafted C Beckett Hendrickson in the 2023 Draft, who I did a write-up on, and I rather like him too. The latter 2 players are American, though....

Then there's the usual LW Jake DeBrusk, and D Brandon Carlo that are both good. I would be over the moon if they were willing to part with C Pavel Zacha, or C Trent Frederic.

If the bruins end up losing both Krecji and Bergeron, they might be in the market for two centres. Maybe the flames could complete a bigger trade sending both Backlund and Lindholm to them to fill the holes. Something like:

To Boston:
Backlund (50% retained) + Extended Lindholm (50% retained for 2023-2024)

To Calgary:
Frederic + 2024 first round pick (lottery protected) + 2024 Second round pick + 2025 first round pick (top 10 protected) + Fabian Lysell

Too much? Maybe but we are giving them two top centres with 50% salary retention and Lindholm with an extension in place. Everything the flames would be getting are magic beans except for Frederic.


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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

I only disagree on that there are tons of options for the 4th line that won't hurt you 5v5 and you can get them for pennies in the off-season. Trading picks for bottom of the barrel guys had never worked for Calgary. Every year there seems to be a handful of lower end guys who can sign for 700k and play on a bottom line.

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I'd agree but also think many of the 700K 4th line guys would be the types of players that would have many on this site freak out when signed.

The Flames made many of those free agent signings themselves.

But if more than one team wants the player it's not 700k, and the players that can do more to impact the play positively aren't going to have only one team involved.

[bax]

Originally Posted by stemit14

If the bruins end up losing both Krecji and Bergeron, they might be in the market for two centres. Maybe the flames could complete a bigger trade sending both Backlund and Lindholm to them to fill the holes. Something like:

To Boston:
Backlund (50% retained) + Extended Lindholm (50% retained for 2023-2024)

To Calgary:
Frederic + 2024 first round pick (lottery protected) + 2024 Second round pick + 2025 first round pick (top 10 protected) + Fabian Lysell

Too much? Maybe but we are giving them two top centres with 50% salary retention and Lindholm with an extension in place. Everything the flames would be getting are magic beans except for Frederic.


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Boston doesn’t have a pick in 2024 until the 4th round.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by stemit14

If the bruins end up losing both Krecji and Bergeron, they might be in the market for two centres. Maybe the flames could complete a bigger trade sending both Backlund and Lindholm to them to fill the holes. Something like:

To Boston:
Backlund (50% retained) + Extended Lindholm (50% retained for 2023-2024)

To Calgary:
Frederic + 2024 first round pick (lottery protected) + 2024 Second round pick + 2025 first round pick (top 10 protected) + Fabian Lysell

Too much? Maybe but we are giving them two top centres with 50% salary retention and Lindholm with an extension in place. Everything the flames would be getting are magic beans except for Frederic.


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The Flames are still trying to compete this season, I can't see them making a pure futures deal resembling anything like this.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The Flames are still trying to compete this season, I can't see them making a pure futures deal resembling anything like this.

Any updates in your world Diss?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Just spitballin'....

What about trading Lindholm for something around Swayman? It's all over the internet that Boston wants to trade a goalie, and it would allow us to trade one of Markstrom or Vladar (seems like there's a fairly good market for Vladar).

Trading your top center for a 24 year old ()soon to be 25) backup goaltender? Hoo boy. That's a step backward. A throw in on a deal, maybe, but not as a pinciple.

Boston also has RW Fabian Lysell, C Matt Poitras, D Mason Lohrei, and C Brett Harrison. I've long been a fan of 6'3"C Johnny Beecher, who has struggled to put up offense thus far in the NCAA and AHL- but he's a fantastic skater, ultra-competitive, and rugged as hell. They just drafted C Beckett Hendrickson in the 2023 Draft, who I did a write-up on, and I rather like him too. The latter 2 players are American, though....

Nothing there that is of interest, especially of Lindholm is leaving. I see all of those names to be supporting players if they develop.

Then there's the usual LW Jake DeBrusk, and D Brandon Carlo that are both good. I would be over the moon if they were willing to part with C Pavel Zacha, or C Trent Frederic.

The key is getting a center back plus something else of significant value. Conroy has to make a good deal or this could set the organization back a good amount.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Trading your top center for a 24 year old ()soon to be 25) backup goaltender? Hoo boy. That's a step backward. A throw in on a deal, maybe, but not as a pinciple.



Nothing there that is of interest, especially of Lindholm is leaving. I see all of those names to be supporting players if they develop.



The key is getting a center back plus something else of significant value. Conroy has to make a good deal or this could set the organization back a good amount.

You can poo-poo my trade proposal all you want, but labelling Swayman a “backup”, and a “throw-in” on a potential trade is outrageous. Swayman is only a backup because of circumstance- in this case the fact that he plays on the same team as Linus Ullmark. He’s the next up-and-coming star goalie in the NHL. That’s like calling a Ferrari, “something to get you from point A to point B.”

The other players I mentioned would be possible secondary assets in a deal.

[shutout]

https://theathletic.com/4706544/2023...-trade-update/

Rob Rossi (the Pittsburg Athletic writer) believes that the Penguins are going to make the deal for Karlsson.

Factors influencing:

- cap compliance - Penguins are looking for a third team to take a player like Granlund or hold onto a portion of Karlsson's salary

- roster space - Penguins might have a second buyout window coming open to them

- Petry might be the most likely to be moved on the defence but wants to stay in the east and has a 15 team no trade list

- Sharks like Pettersson but Penguins feel he fills a top 4 spot on the left side

- Top five pick protection and then bonus picks added depending upon the success of the Penguins in the playoffs

- How much money will the Sharks retain

[SuperMatt18]

That Granlund trade was weird at the time and looks even worse now.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Sandman

You can poo-poo my trade proposal all you want, but labelling Swayman a “backup”, and a “throw-in” on a potential trade is outrageous. Swayman is only a backup because of circumstance- in this case the fact that he plays on the same team as Linus Ullmark. He’s the next up-and-coming star goalie in the NHL. That’s like calling a Ferrari, “something to get you from point A to point B.”

The other players I mentioned would be possible secondary assets in a deal.

Calling Swayman a Ferrari is a stretch. A massive stretch. NOT a player you move a #1 center for. I get that your thing is to pump up prospects but the suggestion is laughable. It would be like the Flames suggesting they could get a #1 pivot for Dustin Wolf, regardless of the number of other prospects thrown into the mix. You make that deal for a proven starter that can transform a franchise, and this is not Swayman. Goaltenders are voodoo and there is way too much risk on them. I don't see any goaltender changing the fortunes of this team. They need more offense and losing a player of Lindholm's stature for another goaltending "prospect" would be a massive failure and cost anyone making that decision their job.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Calling Swayman a Ferrari is a stretch. A massive stretch. NOT a player you move a #1 center for. I get that your thing is to pump up prospects but the suggestion is laughable. It would be like the Flames suggesting they could get a #1 pivot for Dustin Wolf, regardless of the number of other prospects thrown into the mix. You make that deal for a proven starter that can transform a franchise, and this is not Swayman. Goaltenders are voodoo and there is way too much risk on them. I don't see any goaltender changing the fortunes of this team. They need more offense and losing a player of Lindholm's stature for another goaltending "prospect" would be a massive failure and cost anyone making that decision their job.

Sway isn’t a prospect anymore, he’s played 2 seasons in the NHL- and I don’t have to pump him up because it’s common knowledge the kind of player he is. Doesn’t matter anyway, the trade won’t happen.