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Old 07-18-2023, 08:35 AM   #1
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Resigned to spend more time with family. Great for him, as he's earned it, but big loss for the Flames.
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Old 07-18-2023, 08:47 AM   #2
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Oof. The hits keep on coming. The Flames had a pretty low number of injuries and I wonder if his coaching was a part of that.
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Old 07-18-2023, 10:10 AM   #3
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It went under the radar at the time, but he took a ricochet shot when Darryl was hired.

Darryl walked in on day 1 and his chief explanation for why the team wasn’t successful came down to conditioning.

“They were one of the poorest-trained teams in the league coming into last season,” Sutter said. “The biggest surprise I’d ever seen was when I came halfway through the year … the team’s conditioning.“

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I always thought that was odd as van Asten was highly regarded around the league and served as the conditioning coach in LA when they won their cups. A guy who knew how to get his players physically prepared to win championships.
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Old 07-18-2023, 10:15 AM   #4
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It went under the radar at the time, but he took a ricochet shot when Darryl was hired.

Darryl walked in on day 1 and his chief explanation for why the team wasn’t successful came down to conditioning.

“They were one of the poorest-trained teams in the league coming into last season,” Sutter said. “The biggest surprise I’d ever seen was when I came halfway through the year … the team’s conditioning.“

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/2022/09...oogle_vignette

I always thought that was odd as van Asten was highly regarded around the league and served as the conditioning coach in LA when they won their cups. A guy who knew how to get his players physically prepared to win championships.
I think both can be true. I think he was highly regarded and the Flames in the past have been a fit team. But maybe the last version wasn't as diligent at following the expert - he can't order them to do his programs. Maybe part of the reason he's going is frustration.
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It went under the radar at the time, but he took a ricochet shot when Darryl was hired.

Darryl walked in on day 1 and his chief explanation for why the team wasn’t successful came down to conditioning.

“They were one of the poorest-trained teams in the league coming into last season,” Sutter said. “The biggest surprise I’d ever seen was when I came halfway through the year … the team’s conditioning.“

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/2022/09...oogle_vignette

I always thought that was odd as van Asten was highly regarded around the league and served as the conditioning coach in LA when they won their cups. A guy who knew how to get his players physically prepared to win championships.
poorest-trained team relative to Darryl's pre-covid expectations. He was hired in March 2021. So the fitness scores he would have seen were from summer/training camp of 2020 when players were training at home on their Peloton. I bet fitness scores league wide took at hit that summer
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post-combine and at the draft Conroy and/or Button talked about how Rick Davis (assistant strength and conditioning coach) was involved in the prospect evaluations. Thought it was odd that RVA was not involved at that time. Prelude to today
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It went under the radar at the time, but he took a ricochet shot when Darryl was hired.

Darryl walked in on day 1 and his chief explanation for why the team wasn’t successful came down to conditioning.

“They were one of the poorest-trained teams in the league coming into last season,” Sutter said. “The biggest surprise I’d ever seen was when I came halfway through the year … the team’s conditioning.“

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/2022/09...oogle_vignette

I always thought that was odd as van Asten was highly regarded around the league and served as the conditioning coach in LA when they won their cups. A guy who knew how to get his players physically prepared to win championships.
I don’t think van Asten was/is a Sutter fan, as he understands the diminishing returns of negative coaching. Still, he’s really just an internal consultant for the coaching staff. If there is a disagreement between him and the coach, he gives suggestions, they make decisions.

In a previous post he mentioned how one NHL coach believed every training rep for players in an exercise should be 45 seconds (because that’s an average shift length). He disagreed then explained why. That seems like a Sutter kind of “I’m smarter than the experts” perspective to throw at people who work for (& probably not with) him. But I could be wrong.

Either way, if the players conditioning wasn’t up to Sutter’s liking, it has more to do with on ice coaching and programming than off ice.

Off ice, during the season S&C coaching is more about monitoring, recovery, injury prevention, and maintaining mass/muscle as the season drags on.

It was just Sutter being Sutter & throwing Ward under the bus. It doesn’t mean he was wrong. The yo-yo of coaches grinding them into the ground like Hartley & Peters sandwiched by the Gulutzan & Ward really falls at the feet of Treliving to assemble a roster than ultimately pushes itself to be conditioned at the required level in the NHL, rather than being whipped by a hard ass coach.

Even Huska mentioned in interviews that this was something Ruzicka struggled with & still struggled with this year. He explained on one post game interview about how hard & important it is for healthy scratches to push themselves in practices (after game day skates or following games) when they’re not playing so they stay conditioned to avoid any drop off in play.

It made it sound like this was something that Sutter focused on.
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poorest-trained team relative to Darryl's pre-covid expectations. He was hired in March 2021. So the fitness scores he would have seen were from summer/training camp of 2020 when players were training at home on their Peloton. I bet fitness scores league wide took at hit that summer
You can lead a horse to water, but the Flames under Ward were doing basically the minimum to maintain their level, happily playing soccer in practice, so not a surprise most were woefully out of shape coming out of Coivd. JG credited Sutter for getting him to train smarter and be in better shape, and the proof was in JGs season two years ago.

Sutter obviously had input on bringing Van Asten to LA, and he came here only because his wife was working here...my guess is Sutter's departure meant he may as well find a new challenge as well.
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