06-28-2023, 11:02 AM
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#141
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I don't mind the trade, I would have expected the pick to be a 2nd rounder given Toffoli's resume and other recent trades. Acknowledging he may not have been willing to sign for longer but I am not as big a fan of the contract. If you're a believer in the guy and going to give him the platform to shine, bump the AAV and lock him down for another year or two. If you want a show me deal, should have gone for the one year term and made the 2 mil qualifying offer.
I get that they can re-sign him next summer but feels like all the upside is on the players side and this is the kind of term you give an older player.
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06-28-2023, 11:05 AM
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#142
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Depends on what their plan is for the future prospects but I like this. If other guys emerge as more deserving it’s an expiring contract off the books. If he shows himself he’ll get paid. Can’t complain. Not a 7 year deal! Good in my books.
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06-28-2023, 11:12 AM
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#143
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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His agent has done the 2 year thing before with Gavrikov. They are banking on the increased salary cap when the contract is up to cash in.
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06-28-2023, 11:13 AM
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#144
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
2 years at a million above his QO and then he is a UFA. Nice work by his agent, probably was not getting much more than that on yearly basis and the term is low enough that if he hits he can get paid at UFA time.
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$3 million + has pretty much been the going rate for players scoring 30+ points the last couple of years.
He likely would have gotten more in arbitration judging by the history of arbitration.
I see this deal as more Flames friendly than player friendly, but you could also call it market rate.
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06-28-2023, 11:14 AM
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#145
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All I can get
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Zadorov being the team salesman... maybe they should keep him.
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06-28-2023, 11:18 AM
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#146
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Shanghai
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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What is the #WeAreGoldStar! hashtag about? Equivalent to #WeAreParticipationMedal! ?
I guess the Flames had a clear idea of targeting this guy and signing him, but they also just don't want to be tied down in longer contracts. I don't really get what their plan is yet. Interested to see what they do with their next moves.
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06-28-2023, 11:19 AM
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#147
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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I know we want to complain about everything but taking a guy like this to UFA doesn't really matter. He's unlikely going to have team's lining up to sign him so if you offer him a fair deal - he will take it. It only matters for top end guys who know they will have teams chasing and offering big bucks.
Middle/low tier guys - they aren't going to UFA knowing they've got a 8M contract out there if they wait a week - so they sign if you want to keep them around at fair deal. The Flames don't really have similar contracts - but its like the Oilers and Yamamoto or Foegele - they are going to take a fair contract from the Oilers because they have no clue what they will get if they go to the market.
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06-28-2023, 11:20 AM
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#148
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyB
What is the #WeAreGoldStar! hashtag about? Equivalent to #WeAreParticipationMedal! ?
I guess the Flames had a clear idea of targeting this guy and signing him, but they also just don't want to be tied down in longer contracts. I don't really get what their plan is yet. Interested to see what they do with their next moves.
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Name of agency.
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06-28-2023, 11:20 AM
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#149
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyB
What is the #WeAreGoldStar! hashtag about?
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It's the agency.
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06-28-2023, 11:29 AM
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#150
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
I know we want to complain about everything but taking a guy like this to UFA doesn't really matter. He's unlikely going to have team's lining up to sign him so if you offer him a fair deal - he will take it. It only matters for top end guys who know they will have teams chasing and offering big bucks.
Middle/low tier guys - they aren't going to UFA knowing they've got a 8M contract out there if they wait a week - so they sign if you want to keep them around at fair deal. The Flames don't really have similar contracts - but its like the Oilers and Yamamoto or Foegele - they are going to take a fair contract from the Oilers because they have no clue what they will get if they go to the market.
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This is why I don't see the point in trading a decent trade chip like Toffoli for someone like this. You can find 3rd liners easily. Would have much rather seen them trade Toffoli for picks and just sign someone.
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06-28-2023, 11:42 AM
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#151
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I wonder what NJ will do with Toffoli going forward. He's going to want a raise and supposedly 6 years. NJ has some room and their top end contracts aren't nuts. But They still need defensive help and maybe more in goal. And they have to sign Meier still.
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Sureloss says Meier just signed for $8.8 x 8. A fair bit of cabbage for a guy who hit (almost) PPG just once. Not much room for a big raise for Toffoli, especially with term.
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06-28-2023, 11:44 AM
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#152
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Sureloss says Meier just signed for $8.8 x 8. A fair bit of cabbage for a guy who hit (almost) PPG just once. Not much room for a big raise for Toffoli, especially with term.
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I wonder if they just look at Toffoli as a 1 year rental at a decent salary. Wouldn't shock me if Toffoli ends his career as kind of a mercenary guy like Corey Perry taking short term deals with contenders as it will be difficult to get anything long term.
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06-28-2023, 11:53 AM
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#153
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
Zadorov being the team salesman... maybe they should keep him.
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Yeah, I'm really not a fan of moving Zadorov anywhere.
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06-28-2023, 11:55 AM
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#154
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: England
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A reasonable 'show me' contract for both sides. Looking forward to seeing where he fits in.
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06-28-2023, 11:58 AM
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#155
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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06-28-2023, 11:59 AM
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#156
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty81
I don't mind the trade, I would have expected the pick to be a 2nd rounder given Toffoli's resume and other recent trades. Acknowledging he may not have been willing to sign for longer but I am not as big a fan of the contract. If you're a believer in the guy and going to give him the platform to shine, bump the AAV and lock him down for another year or two. If you want a show me deal, should have gone for the one year term and made the 2 mil qualifying offer.
I get that they can re-sign him next summer but feels like all the upside is on the players side and this is the kind of term you give an older player.
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This is true. Even if you have to buy him out, it’s 1/3 not 1/2.
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06-28-2023, 12:01 PM
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#157
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Some people are actually upset about this contract eh? Huh.
Pretty simple, it’s a show me contract. They’re either going to extend him when they can or they’ll trade him for another asset. I’m not sure why there’s any angst over it.
I think he’s going to have a great year and become a fan favorite pretty quickly. He’ll have a burr under his saddle.
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06-28-2023, 12:02 PM
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#158
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by getbak
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I would have preferred the 4 x $4.2M TBH
Lock up his core years and hope that he improves beyond what he's already been.
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06-28-2023, 12:04 PM
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#159
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SnipeShow
I'll be calling him Shango moving forward, just hits my ear right
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06-28-2023, 12:04 PM
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#160
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteMoss
I wonder if they just look at Toffoli as a 1 year rental at a decent salary. Wouldn't shock me if Toffoli ends his career as kind of a mercenary guy like Corey Perry taking short term deals with contenders as it will be difficult to get anything long term.
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Very possible. This is his 5th team already. The fact he's not gotten NTCs in his two UFA deals says he doesn't mind a move.
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