[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Toffoli is getting 7 years from no team so it feels like Toffoli just wanted out.

Well, no, that is not how this works. It wouldn't be remotely uncommon for a lot of players to have outrageously unrealistic perspectives of their actual value.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Toffoli is getting 7 years from no team so it feels like Toffoli just wanted out.

He'd be the same age as Kadri when we gave him 7 years

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, no, that is not how this works. It wouldn't be remotely uncommon for a lot of players to have outrageously unrealistic perspectives of their actual value.

I don't even think that Toffoli getting 7 years is crazy

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, no, that is not how this works. It wouldn't be remotely uncommon for a lot of players to have outrageously unrealistic perspectives of their actual value.

That's fine - I still bet against him getting a 7 year deal.

And it's okay if Toffoli wanted out. The Flames still had to fire Sutter.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don't even think that Toffoli getting 7 years is crazy

I would vomit if the Flames would’ve gave him 7 years. I don’t see him aging well at all.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don't even think that Toffoli getting 7 years is crazy

Oh boy. It sure sounds crazy.

[Toonage]

NJD aren't giving him 7 either. This is a team that didn't want to come to terms with Sharangovich. He'll get 3 at best IMO.

[Bingo]

Just trying to catch up as per usual.

Head scratching reaction from some.

I get wanting more in terms of a first round pick or even a second.

I don't get the notion that this was available and turned down for some reason.
I don't get the wish to spin things as negatively as possible ... ignoring career averages and an age gain to make things look worse.

What's the end game there?

To me the biggest fail possible was a long term deal for Tyler Toffoli in Calgary. They are already pinched with two long term deals and need to pivot away from that death spiral. Even a three year deal for Toffoli would be risky given the dollars he would want for a career year and his lack of boots.

So that fear was avoided.

Glad they moved him and have set the ball rolling. I think that has a greater likelihood to stall Lindholm talks as well which could result in the Flames going more retool than if they had Toffoli in the ranks.

Not blown away by a win, but a productive, younger player with size and speed and a pick isn't Conroy getting fleeced by any any measure.

[sureLoss]

Toffoli got scared that when the Flames told him that they were prioritizing re-signing other players over him that:

1) They wouldn't have enough cap space left over to sign him to a deal worthy of the numbers he put up last season.
2) Coaching changes would probably see him get less offensive ice time to replicate last years numbers

Ironically, according to LeBrun, NJ isn't in a hurry to sign Toffoli to an extension either. They want to see how he acclimates to the team first.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I would vomit if the Flames would’ve gave him 7 years. I don’t see him aging well at all.

Oh I agree but if he has another good season in New Jersey I could see a GM being dumb.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don't even think that Toffoli getting 7 years is crazy

I think it's a little crazy. Toffoli will not age well... his skating looks kinda rough now it'll be a liability when he loses a step.

[devo22]

moving on from Toffoli was the absolute right call. 31 years old, coming off a career year ... perfect storm for a bad long-term contract. After making the very same mistake with Kadri, we couldn't afford to fall into that trap again.

a bit torn when it comes to this deal. First reaction sure was "well that's underwhelming", but I fully admit I'm not that familiar with Sharangovich. We surely got younger and faster, so that's a plus ... but not getting a high quality pick or prospect in this deal really hurts. I guess it all depends on where you see Sharangovich ... can he get back to ~25 goals? Seems like the organization is comfortable making that bet. Let's hope for the best ...

[CalgaryFan1988]

I think management should have realized they were out earlier last season and traded Toffoli, Lindholm at last years deadline. Ship has sailed and this is what happens when you mismanage assets.

[DylanScores]

I think moving on from Toffoli is the right call. Count me in as one of those who doesn’t know Shergovin. Reading between the lines of Toffoli’s comment after the trade shows that he’s in it for himself not for the team. I’m sure he is a good guy but he knows that there are other priorities and felt slighted that he was not the priority which is concerning. We don’t want players to have that attitude moving forward. How much will he sulk when he slows down and not getting the minutes that he was used getting before in his prime?
I’d rather have Lucic , who may be past his prime, coming back because he wants to be here and is a leader on the team.

[OutOfTheCube]

Anything the Flames can do to get younger, cheaper, and faster is a plus. Toffoli is a decent veteran piece for a team looking to make a next step (which Calgary was at the time they acquired him, and NJ is now) but he's not the type of player you make any real commitment to. I would be extremely surprised if he approaches his numbers from this past season ever again. A second round pick out of this instead of a third might've been nice, but it is what it is.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Like I said, heavy Nigel Dawes/Blake Comeau vibes with this guy. He’s young but not that young. And he had that one season a couple of years ago but the rest of his history is unremarkable.

Plug him into the top 6 on a weak team and he puts up 30-40 points I’m sure, but ultimately we’ve seen plenty of these types of players come in for a year or two, hang around for a little while when they’re done in some place like Arizona or Columbus, and then disappear to the KHL.

Maybe I’m wrong and he totally blows everyone away, but I’m gonna take the under on that one. He’s a guy who fills your roster and that’s about it. Not someone you have to pretend you’re thrilled to get back for your leading scorer.

Well that was certainly a more level headed opinion of the trade then the fire truck / lip stick nonsense.

If we kept posts about substance and analysis and not belittling those that disagree it would be a better site.

[Enoch Root]

Fans overuse and miss-use the term 'sell high' to a ridiculous degree (like on a 25 year old Mangiapane, for example), but if there was EVER a time that it was applicable, it is in the Toffoli case.

Toffoli is a career second liner with soft hands but below average speed. He competes every night, and he plays well with others. Solid guy and solid player. But last year, he got 1st line duty, 1st line minutes, and was the trigger guy on PP1. He was essentially given the role of our best player. And he had a career year - 15 pts more than any other year - at the age of 30. Now he is looking for a long term extension, starting at age 32.

We all wanted to be wowed by the return, but that didn't happen. And you always want to get the best player in the deal, and the best player is Toffoli. Today. But going forward? I am not so sure. I think Toffoli has one more good year, then he settles back to a 40 pt guy. And there is a pretty good chance that Sharangovich out-produces him over the next few years, and is a more useful player.

We'll see, but it is a lot more interesting than some of the naysayers are suggesting. Also, the people whining that they should have gotten more for a '1st line player' are the same people that have been telling us for the last 2 years that he is anything but.

[Nelson]

If Chris Snow had pushed for Sharangovich, I’m willing to give the team the benefit of the doubt on him. I do wish the pick was higher, of course, but that’s not what concerns me. What concerns me is what this says about the direction of the team. The return is mostly a roster player, even if Sharangovich is much younger than Toffoli. So, I view this as a compete now trade.

By far the biggest positive of this trade is the Flames not signing Toffoli long term. And I don’t like the compete now direction, but if they are going to compete now, I do like faster and younger and hungrier. And if Chris Snow likes him, then I think it’s also a positive sign to hear Conroy is collaborating with Snow.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I never really focused on this guy when watching the Devils play. This is what I think based on stuff I can find on the internet.

330 faceoffs in 200 games. 36%.

I think he's a winger.

Looking at contracts signed over the last year and a half for guys who put up 30+ points....

I think his new cap hit starts with a 3.

You can probably trade a 4th round pick for a guy that scores 30 points at $3+ million. So....

I think that the Flames org believes this guy could rebound in a top six role.

Have never understood the quick jump to face off percentages in assessing a center.

The reads and 200 foot game required to play the position by far out weigh the ability to win a face off.

Iginla used to take draws for his center and then move back to the wing defensively.

Monahan took most of the draws but went the wing often for Lindholm to play the center ice position.

(and not saying Sharngovich is a 200 foot center whizz, but it would take more analysis then face off counts to prove either way)

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Well that was certainly a more level headed opinion of the trade then the fire truck / lip stick nonsense.

If we kept posts about substance and analysis and not belittling those that disagree it would be a better site.

Goes both ways, bud.