06-26-2023, 10:45 AM
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#1381
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by StrykerSteve
Thanks, appreciate that. 
My discord has gotten pretty quiet lately, and all of this Flames roster drama has me wanting to chat about it. |
Welcome back good sir!
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06-26-2023, 10:45 AM
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#1382
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by devo22
it's not just that, it's also that fans are absolutely enamored with draft picks. And I get it, I am too ...
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Especially this time of year, when everyone is reading draft profiles and projecting every player to reach their maximum potential.
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Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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06-26-2023, 10:50 AM
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#1383
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First Line Centre
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If the return is bad, don't rush. We still have 1 year to trade them. Just get some draft picks 2024 & 2025. Have a long term plan and vision.
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06-26-2023, 10:50 AM
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#1384
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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I think most teams who were willing to trade their pick this year already did so. There are a few who got an extra pick that might move a later one for right now help. But the market on established players is pretty tough right now without a lot of cap space in the league. We're seeing guys given away with teams paying most of the salary to do it. Even a guy like Durzi who is a NHL level defenseman fetched a 2nd in next year's draft. So seems to indicate a ver weak trade market if you can't match the money.
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06-26-2023, 10:51 AM
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#1385
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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Originally Posted by Sec214
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King Kong ain't got nothing on Sec.
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06-26-2023, 10:51 AM
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#1386
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
I would hardly call one of the most unique 2-off-season exodus situations, especially involving two early/mid-twenties all stars, “inevitable.”
There’s not a prospect pipeline in the league that could fill these gaps in this timeframe.
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The Flames losing their pending UFAs is an inevitability.
How many have they successfully re-signed in the past ten years relative to the ones that have walked?
Zadorov is the exception, not the rule.
Players want to play elsewhere. Plan for it.
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06-26-2023, 10:54 AM
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#1387
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by cannon7
The Flames losing their pending UFAs is an inevitability.
How many have they successfully re-signed in the past ten years relative to the ones that have walked?
Zadorov is the exception, not the rule.
Players want to play elsewhere. Plan for it.
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They all have to play for their next big pay day! Not the end of the world if they unload at the deadline! On the mean time if there is success they have plenty of time to negotiate contracts! Not ideal but not the end of the world!
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06-26-2023, 10:55 AM
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#1388
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
But the market on established players is pretty tough right now without a lot of cap space in the league. We're seeing guys given away with teams paying most of the salary to do it. Even a guy like Durzi who is a NHL level defenseman fetched a 2nd in next year's draft. So seems to indicate a ver weak trade market if you can't match the money.
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The Avs just got a #2/3 C for free because the Preds wanted to clear $4 mil. Cap is king. If you’re looking for a straight player for picks deal, you’re going to have a real tough time getting full value.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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06-26-2023, 10:55 AM
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#1389
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saskatoon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
The Flames losing their pending UFAs is an inevitability.
How many have they successfully re-signed in the past ten years relative to the ones that have walked?
Zadorov is the exception, not the rule.
Players want to play elsewhere. Plan for it.
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Backlund, Giordano, and Brodie all come to mind. How many have they lost, that they actually wanted to retain?
Kept Glencross and Bourque.
Last edited by flamesgod; 06-26-2023 at 10:58 AM.
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06-26-2023, 10:55 AM
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#1390
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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If any of you are in Nashville and see Frank Seravelli can you tell him how to pronouce Zadorov properly please.
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06-26-2023, 11:00 AM
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#1391
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby
If any of you are in Nashville and see Frank Seravelli can you tell him how to pronouce Zadorov properly please.
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I find that the way he says Murray rubs me the wrong way too.
Call him Mary Edward's one more time and I'll Jim Everett your ass you wannabe Jim Rome.
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06-26-2023, 11:00 AM
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#1392
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by StrykerSteve
I don’t envy Craig Conroy in this scenario one bit. That said, the waiting is the hardest part. I’m excited/nervous to see what he can pull off.
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I'm just going to take it on faith and take it to the heart.
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06-26-2023, 11:00 AM
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#1394
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Montréal, QC
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Alright it's 10am where that juice at
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06-26-2023, 11:01 AM
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#1395
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Franchise Player
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Damn, 10 on the nose too
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06-26-2023, 11:01 AM
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#1396
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sec214
Flames received a substantial trade offer last evening for Elias, Eastern Conference Team. Flames are going to hold out in hopes they can drive up the price slightly. The deadline is quickly approaching for Elias to sign an extension.
The package was "not distant futures" and a pick 1st round pick.
He's gambling right now.
Conroy has a handful GMs awaiting his phone call on Elias.
Hatti B's this afternoon... No more Jack.
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Pull the trigger Conroy.
And Hatti B's is delicious
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06-26-2023, 11:02 AM
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#1397
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by btimbit
Damn, 10 on the nose too
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Not intentional.
The orange juice wasn't fresh yet.
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06-26-2023, 11:02 AM
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#1398
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Originally Posted by FusionX
With that said though, I think this would only work with more supplementary players and I'm of the mind that Lindholm and Hanifin need to be dealt prior to the season if they're not staying. They would play too integral of a role on the team so that unless we're terrible (unlikely), it'd be hard to justify trading these guys at the deadline with the team right around the mix for playoffs (more likely).
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If you're a small market team like the Flames you trade them either way. You can't afford to abandon good asset management on a hope and a prayer that you'll be able to make noise in the playoffs.
Doing it the old fashioned way (buying when in a playoff spot) hasn't worked for a long time. It's amazing to me there are still GMs employed who repeatedly do things that provably don't work towards long term success.
Treliving was one of the worst in this regard. I hope Conroy isn't just a stooge who will rinse and repeat broken management techniques.
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06-26-2023, 11:02 AM
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#1399
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sec214
Flames received a substantial trade offer last evening for Elias, Eastern Conference Team. Flames are going to hold out in hopes they can drive up the price slightly. The deadline is quickly approaching for Elias to sign an extension.
The package was "not distant futures" and a pick 1st round pick.
He's gambling right now.
Conroy has a handful GMs awaiting his phone call on Elias.
Hatti B's this afternoon... No more Jack.
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Sound good. Let’s make it happen
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06-26-2023, 11:03 AM
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#1400
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sec214
Flames received a substantial trade offer last evening for Elias, Eastern Conference Team. Flames are going to hold out in hopes they can drive up the price slightly. The deadline is quickly approaching for Elias to sign an extension.
The package was "not distant futures" and a pick 1st round pick.
He's gambling right now.
Conroy has a handful GMs awaiting his phone call on Elias.
Hatti B's this afternoon... No more Jack.
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Seems like a good start if true. Not distant futures can mean b prospects though.
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