2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Poe969]

I hope to God uts about trading him....

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I hope to God uts about trading him....

Late night news like that.. I kind of doubt its a trade

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Late night news like that.. I kind of doubt its a trade

I hope he resigns but I expect to hear that he has informed the team he will not be resigning. To many unknowns with all the players leaving.

[ForeverFlameFan]

It's not the end of the world if we do re-sign Lindholm. I want players that want to play here. I just don't want to begin the season with him AND Backlund here. Need to move one with one or both.

It would be hard to replace Lindholm in the UFA market if he were to leave. I would rather he get traded, but there is a huge benefit in retaining him too.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Fan69

I think your undervaluing how good this draft is. Anyone picked in the top 25 pretty much instantly becomes out best prospect. Guys like honzek, heidt, richie, are always in the 20 to 30 range and all of them have the skills to be top liners. Some if the guys between 10 and 20 would be top five picks in a lot of years. Someone mentioned in another thread last years top five would be in the teens this year and i believe it.

No, I think people are overvaluing this draft. It goes hand-in-hand with every draft and perceptions at this time of year. Yes, it is a good one with a excellent group of forwards available in the top 20 picks. After that it becomes the usual crapshoot. There is no guarantee that anyone selected in the top 20 is a sure thing.

The problem with ANY draft is you are rolling the dice and hoping you pick the right player. As has been shown in draft after draft, there are more misses than there are hits. You are picking players based on their play against kids and then hoping they can continue to do the same as men. The problem is there is so much growth and maturity that takes place after these kids are selected that things change quickly. And the problem isn't that we're picking players, it is the development time required after they are picked. Taking any player usually means a five-year development cycle until they start to turn into the player you want them to be, and some of those players even longer. This is also predicated on them developing as expected. There is risk involved and there is player development involved.

If the Flames are going to dump all their players for picks then they are going scorched earth and should be doing it with every player and contract they have. It needs to be a garage sale and everything must go. Start over and start fresh with a new crop of players you hope will become the core. Draft them in a three-year window and focus on those drafts going forward. That then becomes your window. So if 2023 is the draft year, then the competition window is set to open in 2028-29 when you hope to have enough quality players to be competitive. If you're going to go that way, commit to it and commit to it hard. The Flames just don't seem like a team that will invest fully in that strategy.

[Phil Russell]

I expect a mix of draft picks and established young'ish players coming back, with a possible cap-dump player coming in the mix. I don't think the Flames go scorched earth given their past reluctance to rebuild and the fact that there are too many long contract, what should be high-performing players still on the roster. I expect a retool with an eye towards still trying to compete.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

No, I think people are overvaluing this draft. It goes hand-in-hand with every draft and perceptions at this time of year. Yes, it is a good one with a excellent group of forwards available in the top 20 picks. After that it becomes the usual crapshoot. There is no guarantee that anyone selected in the top 20 is a sure thing.

The problem with ANY draft is you are rolling the dice and hoping you pick the right player. As has been shown in draft after draft, there are more misses than there are hits. You are picking players based on their play against kids and then hoping they can continue to do the same as men. The problem is there is so much growth and maturity that takes place after these kids are selected that things change quickly. And the problem isn't that we're picking players, it is the development time required after they are picked. Taking any player usually means a five-year development cycle until they start to turn into the player you want them to be, and some of those players even longer. This is also predicated on them developing as expected. There is risk involved and there is player development involved.

If the Flames are going to dump all their players for picks then they are going scorched earth and should be doing it with every player and contract they have. It needs to be a garage sale and everything must go. Start over and start fresh with a new crop of players you hope will become the core. Draft them in a three-year window and focus on those drafts going forward. That then becomes your window. So if 2023 is the draft year, then the competition window is set to open in 2028-29 when you hope to have enough quality players to be competitive. If you're going to go that way, commit to it and commit to it hard. The Flames just don't seem like a team that will invest fully in that strategy.

Nailed it.

At the same time, and for the reasons you stated here, I think it’s harder to pry away highly valued prospects from other teams than draft picks. We can probably get a Filip Zadina from Detroit but I don’t think he has professed the way they would have hoped. Is LA willing to part with Turcotte? I would be a bit surprised Byfield’s a prospect they would part with. I’m sure there is a long list but if a 10-20 year old is kicking the door down on an ELC, hard to justify moving that player for what the Flames have to offer. I think most teams would loathe scenario. Maybe Hanifin gets you am A prospect because he’s 26.

I would be all for it though, Nieuwendyk-Iginla 2, bring it on.

[Scroopy Noopers]

During the entirety of my adulthood, we haven’t had a centre at Lindholms level. The fact that anyone would be disappointed in keeping this particular player is nuts to me.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I hope to God uts about trading him....

Whatever Conroy does it's a pretty good indication what direction they are heading. Re-sign him and it's a retool around the new core and they'll probably try to make hockey trades for guys like Hanifin & Toffoli. If it's a trade it's pretty much scorched earth.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Shane Wright has plenty of time to pop. I would trade Lindholm for him in a heartbeat.

And yet you think Lafreniere has no upside?
*peeps location* ah ya, right.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

During the entirety of my adulthood, we haven’t had a centre at Lindholms level. The fact that anyone would be disappointed in keeping this particular player is nuts to me.

If it weren't for Kadri's contract, I'd be all for re-signing Lindholm. Having big money locked up in both guys, who are (or will be) on the wrong side of 30 is my issue

[bax]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

And yet you think Lafreniere has no upside?
*peeps location* ah ya, right.

To be fair lafreniere has 3 mediocre to disappointing nhl seasons under his belt. Wright hasn’t even played his rookie season yet

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

And yet you think Lafreniere has no upside?
*peeps location* ah ya, right.

I think Wright would outproduce Lafreniere when he reaches the same amount of GP in the NHL. Of course, he hasn't even cracked the NHL roster yet but at the same time Lafreneiere as a 1st OA pick has been underwhelming to say the least.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Can’t get confirmation.

It’s late but it’s Lindholm. I’ll see what I wake up too and report back.

10AM MST.

10AM sounds like announcement meaning a signing? Or am I reading to far into this?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

If it weren't for Kadri's contract, I'd be all for re-signing Lindholm. Having big money locked up in both guys, who are (or will be) on the wrong side of 30 is my issue

That’s it’s own problem. You don’t ditch a top line centre because the last guy ####ed up huge.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

10AM sounds like announcement meaning a signing? Or am I reading to far into this?

I think that just means Sec was going to have a "fun" night in Nashville and didn't envision waking up any earlier

At least that's what I hope!

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by tkflames

...wasted...? Those two single handedly wasted the Flames. I have never seen an exodus of players like we are seeing here of players that don't want to play with these donkeys.

Sutter was the rot...except 2 weeks after he gets skidded...half the team of long term players still wants to leave. That should tell you everything you need to know about "wasted"...

It's funny how Gaudreau and Tkachuk wanted out before they even had to play with those two, amazing the type of impact Huberdeau and Kadri have had.

People jumping to conclusions that they are the issues with the room and organization are ignoring that the exodus started before they even got here.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

10AM sounds like announcement meaning a signing? Or am I reading to far into this?

There can be no announcement on anything extension related until July 1st.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

That’s it’s own problem. You don’t ditch a top line centre because the last guy ####ed up huge.

Sometimes I feel like the increased understanding of salaries and cap management has completely ruined the experience of being a hockey fan, and seeing someone not want a prime-aged top line centre because they are concerned about cap management specifically related to a lesser player is absolutely one of those times.

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

There can be no announcement on anything extension related until July 1st.

Based on his past statements, I'm assuming it's an announcement that he is available for trade and Conroy is seeking dance partners.

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