So if they heard banging and then an implosion sound, could the banging simply have been the submersible structure starting to fail?
My theory? They knew they were not able to be rescued, so instead of dying slowly, they were banging with something like a wrench to try to cause a containment failure and die quickly.
But who knows, that whole bang every 30min thing is weird. That or banging to try to get attention is what caused the failure.
The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. Shortly after the submersible’s disappearance Sunday, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, U.S. defense officials said.
Deleted post. I may have misunderstood what they meant.
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Negligence sure. Obviously it could have been maintained more rigorously, but I don't understand where you get the latter from.
- Focusing on hiring young people because they have fresh ideas not stuck in old ways (disregarding that experience is needed to design things)
- Ignoring warnings of those with experience with deep sea submersibles in regards to capability and safety, including an employee with proof it was not safe
- Refusing to do any sort of controlled testing, especially when a new material is used in an application it hasn't seen before
- Rejecting a request from the Manned Underwater Vehicles committee of the Marine Technology Society that he have a 3rd party review and certify the Titan. His excuse? "industry regulations were stifling innovation"
- Or this.... "bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation," while touting the vessel's "real-time hull health monitoring" system for being able to determine "if the hull is compromised well before situations become life-threatening."
- Or this... "You know, at some point, safety just is pure waste," said Rush. "I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed. Don't get in your car. Don't do anything. At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk/reward question. I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules."
To me, he sounds similar to a billionaire we all know. Except Musk at least recognized some need for testing certain things before putting peoples lives at risk.
He got caught full on with the "disruption" method of "innovation" that seems to be popular. Ignoring rules, regulations and recommendations written in blood or other reasons, is NOT innovation, it's arrogance and negligence. I see this crap mentality in other design fields and it scares me.
Just the fact alone he didn't do pressure cyclic testing on the carbon fiber shell is baffling to me. Wouldn't you want to know at how many cycles you will expect to see degradation of the laminations, cracking or even failure? No, instead he tested with human lives (and in my opinion a waiver doesn't get that point across) thinking "I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules." Just look at the testing that any composite component for an airplane goes through....
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Not sure if this has been posted. No one knows more about going to the Titanic site and possibly about deep sea craft in general. Jim is being cordial, basically saying this craft was an engineering failure on so many levels.
see above beaten to it by seconds.
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I'm glad there's debris (rather than just vanishing). It gives closure to the families, but more importantly (to me) means the engineering failure analysis will be absolutely fascinating. Although as a private company operating in international waters, there's no guarantee we see said analysis.
I suppose it's pretty likely OceanGate gets liquidated after this.
I'm glad there's debris (rather than just vanishing). It gives closure to the families, but more importantly (to me) means the engineering failure analysis will be absolutely fascinating. Although as a private company operating in international waters, there's no guarantee we see said analysis.
I suppose it's pretty likely OceanGate gets liquidated after this.
Amazon is moderating bad taste reviews of game controller used in Titan sub
Amazon has begun moderating the reviews section of the now infamous games controller used to control the missing Titan sub.
As news of the missing sub spread earlier this week, bad taste reviews began to appear on the shopping giant’s page for the Logitech F710 controller.
Users posted about the controller "not being good at steering a submarine" and "losing signal in the ocean".
Before the fate of the crew aboard the sub became clear, the posts received hundreds of approvals from other shoppers and some were made into viral TikTok videos.
Amazon has started deleting the reviews as it’s understood they do not comply with community guidelines.
The Logitech F710 controller is a popular games console accessory which wirelessly connects to gaming consoles and PCs.
The relatively cheap £33 ($42) controller has become a focal point of the technology on the Titan since videos of the company CEO using it were posted online.
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Those two interviews are great. I wonder what makes them believe they were on the way up rather than down?
Seems like the folks in that community are tied into information that the company wasn't disclosing until now. I liked Cameron's allusion to the hubris of Rush plowing ahead despite numerous warnings like the Titanic Captain back in 1912.
Fascinating story, been following it quite close and checking in here for additional info. Would have been great if there was a rescue, too bad.
The forced jokes were not offensive in the least, more like a waste of time, crap to scroll past. The obvious, cheeseball, wordplay humour on this board always makes me straight-faced anyways.
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Fascinating story, been following it quite close and checking in here for additional info. Would have been great if there was a rescue, too bad.
The forced jokes were not offensive in the least, more like a waste of time, crap to scroll past. The obvious, cheeseball, wordplay humour on this board always makes me straight-faced anyways.
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Suleman Dawood was 'terrified' about going on trip - aunt
The aunt of Suleman Dawood, who was on the submersible with his father Shahzada, said the 19-year-old was hesitant about going on the dive to see the Titanic wreck in the days beforehand.
Speaking to NBC News, Azmeh Dawood, the older sister of Shahzada, said Suleman told a relative he felt "terrified" about the trip, but wanted to please his dad.
They embarked on the vessel last Sunday, which was Father's Day in North America.
"I feel disbelief," Azmeh said."It's an unreal situation."
"I feel like I've been caught in a really bad film, with a countdown, but you didn't know what you're counting down to," she said. "I personally have found it kind of difficult to breathe thinking of them."
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