2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[GioforPM]

The Avs were so crafty they had him miss these last POs just to make the ruse look better.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Bum knee.

Knee cartilage transplant it seems. Fast google and first article says recovery time 16-24 months to recover and about 75% elite atheletes get back to original level or higher level. A lot muddy ground here though.

https://medicine.missouri.edu/news/s...thin-two-years

Seems like a very long process either way. At least his life quality should improve a lot if nothing else.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Avs were so crafty they had him miss these last POs just to make the ruse look better.

That isn't what I was saying. What I am saying is if Landeskog can return before the end of the regular season next year he won't. Why wouldn't he take the extra time to keep wear and tear off his body while allowing his team to spend his cap money for extra help? It isn't like this precedent hasn't already been set.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Knee cartilage transplant it seems. Fast google and first article says recovery time 16-24 months to recover and about 75% elite atheletes get back to original level or higher level. A lot muddy ground here though.

https://medicine.missouri.edu/news/s...thin-two-years

Seems like a very long process either way. At least his life quality should improve a lot if nothing else.

Yep. Bum knee.

[bax]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That isn't what I was saying. What I am saying is if Landeskog can return before the end of the regular season next year he won't. Why wouldn't he take the extra time to keep wear and tear off his body while allowing his team to spend his cap money for extra help? It isn't like this precedent hasn't already been set.

He had the surgery in May and the team has already confirmed he will miss the entire 23-24 season. This surgery has an expected recovery timeline of 16-24 months.

There’s a chance he won’t even be ready for the start of the 24-25 season. This is a non issue.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bax

He had the surgery in May and the team has already confirmed he will miss the entire 23-24 season. This surgery has an expected recovery timeline of 16-24 months.

There’s a chance he won’t even be ready for the start of the 24-25 season. This is a non issue.

Except we heard the same thing about Mark Stone. Landeskog already is doing extensive rehab and looks to be ahead of schedule.
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/colora...low-and-steady

Let's revisit this when the playoffs start and we will see. If I had to put money on it he is ready to go come game 1.

[Tbull8]

I wonder if there’s any chance of getting Buffalo to include Savoie in a deal for Hanifin, rather than Krebs. Love the way he plays

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Toffoli for Lafreniere. Make it happen Connie

But why? Lafreniere doesn't look like a "needs an opportunity" guy he looks like a bust.

[OptimalTates]

Every year we hear about how Shutskzy played with a broken leg during the playoffs, and how Ylvenchik had been shot during game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals and was literally playing dead. Then we all get together and talk about how great hockey players are for foregoing medical attention to play for the Cup which makes this the best game ever

But if anyone comes back from an injury during those same playoffs? Cheaters!

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But why? Lafreniere doesn't look like a "needs an opportunity" guy he looks like a bust.

He got 40 pts as a 20-21 yrs old

He is not a bust. He will probably turn out like Sam Bennett type career

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But why? Lafreniere doesn't look like a "needs an opportunity" guy he looks like a bust.

Wtf, are you serious you wouldn’t do that deal? Kid is 21 and played 3 full seasons…

[bax]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Wtf, are you serious you wouldn’t do that deal? Kid is 21 and played 3 full seasons…

Only 6 first overall picks have scored less than him during their first 3 seasons in the past 30 years.

2 defenseman, 2 goalies, Yakupov, and Stefan.

[bax]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except we heard the same thing about Mark Stone. Landeskog already is doing extensive rehab and looks to be ahead of schedule.
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/colora...low-and-steady

Let's revisit this when the playoffs start and we will see. If I had to put money on it he is ready to go come game 1.

Those situations aren’t comparable in the slightest. Stone played 43 games this year!

There are legitimate concerns Landeskog might not have much of a career left after this. Nobody thinks it’s an advantage to sit out for 2 full seasons.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by bax

Only 6 first overall picks have scored less than him during their first 3 seasons in the past 30 years.

2 defenseman, 2 goalies, Yakupov, and Stefan.

Did all those picks play their 1st seasons post draft in the NHL though?

Its pretty rare that 18/19/20 YO guys are lighting it up from the start.

Lafrenniere may or may not become an offensive force in the NHL but you cant make that determination based on his body of work thus far.

[bax]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Did all those picks play their 1st seasons post draft in the NHL though?

Its pretty rare that 18/19/20 YO guys are lighting it up from the start.

Lafrenniere may or may not become an offensive force in the NHL but you cant make that determination based on his body of work thus far.

You can make a strong educated guess though.

According to Hockey Prospecting’s model Lafrieniere’s star probability has dropped from 75% from his draft year to 26% today. He’s been trending in the wrong direction ever since he was drafted.

I’m not saying he’s not an NHL player, but if you’re trading for him you need to understand that the most likely outcome for him is a middle six winger and not a top line player.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I wonder if there’s any chance of getting Buffalo to include Savoie in a deal for Hanifin, rather than Krebs. Love the way he plays

Savoie certainly has a higher ceiling. He’d be my preference over Krebs, who is shaping up to be a character #3/4 C.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bax

Only 6 first overall picks have scored less than him during their first 3 seasons in the past 30 years.

2 defenseman, 2 goalies, Yakupov, and Stefan.

And that's fine - no one is claiming that he is going to be what 1st overalls are expected to be, or what he was expected to be when he was drafted.

But let's assess him for what he is: good size, some scoring ability, maybe a 40-50 pt guy for a few years - in other words, a pretty good middle 6 guy. If we can trade Toffoli (a really good middle 6 guy who is now 31) for Lafreniere, who is 21 and has the potential to be maybe another Toffoli, or a Bennett, or something on that level, that is a pretty good trade, no?

I am no fan of Lafreniere, but as far as trading Toffoli goes, that seems like a pretty decent return. If the expectation is to get a 1st (late) and a medium prospect for Toffoli, having that late 1st turn into Lafreniere would be an excellent result.

[All In Good Time]

So
Just now on 960, Seravalli just said that Hanifin has notified the Flames that he’s not likely to resign, Backlund is leaning toward not resigning and Lindholm, the “lynchpin”, is deciding if he wants to resign.
Apparently the Flames aren’t applying any pressure for a decision from him.
I’m afraid that after all the drama at the end of the year this is gonna end up worse than ever.
I’d hope that even though no pressure is being directly applied, a deadline is in mind and trades are made sooner not later. But, that would make Conroy look bad in the way that “you told me to take my time with a decision, then you made it for me.”

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

So
Just now on 960, Seravalli just said that Hanifin has notified the Falmes that he’s not likely to resign, Backlund is leaning toward not resigning and Lindholm, the “lynchpin”, is deciding if he wants to resign.
Apparently the Flames aren’t applying any pressure for a decision from him.
I’m afraid that after all the drama at the end of the year this is gonna end up worse than ever.
I’d hope that even though no pressure is being directly applied, a deadline is in mind and trades are made sooner not later. But, that would make Conroy look bad in the way that “you told me to take my time with a decision, then you made it for me.”

Lol, that would not make Conroy look bad, that would make Conroy look smart. Just like Lindholm has the freedom to move on, Conroy can choose to move on and can notify him to pack his things, you've been traded.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

So
Just now on 960, Seravalli just said that Hanifin has notified the Falmes that he’s not likely to resign, Backlund is leaning toward not resigning and Lindholm, the “lynchpin”, is deciding if he wants to resign.
Apparently the Flames aren’t applying any pressure for a decision from him.
I’m afraid that after all the drama at the end of the year this is gonna end up worse than ever.
I’d hope that even though no pressure is being directly applied, a deadline is in mind and trades are made sooner not later. But, that would make Conroy look bad in the way that “you told me to take my time with a decision, then you made it for me.”

I am not going to take the speculation of a reporter as gospel - it ain't fact until it's fact. But, if - IF - Hanifin and Backlund don't re-sign, then Conroy has to pivot towards a more thorough retool. Lindholm-Kadri-Backlund is a pretty good trio down the middle. But if you lose one of them (or two, if Lindholm also doesn't sign), then the team just doesn't have the strength down the middle to be competitive.

I think the team can trade Hanifin and carry on. I think they can trade Toffoli and carry on. But I don't think they can be competitive if they lose Backlund or Lindholm - you can't compete if you're weak down the middle. Accept it and embrace a retool.