Hey Einstein. It isn't about the money. It's about doing something with obvious, known risks and losing the roll of the dice. Your expectation that us strangers 6000kms away should be broken up about this is absurd. Save your energy for people suffering at any one of the hospitals within a 30km radius from where you're sitting on the toilet posting right now.
Its about the money, let's be real. There's definitely an element of dunking on the wealthy/billionaires going on. All sorts of people, at all income levels, take all sorts of stupid risk, all the time. People have to get rescued from hiking in places they shouldn't be, skiing where they shouldn't, camping trips gone wrong, traveling off the beaten path, whatever.
This was a dumb risk but there seems to be an extra amount of internet glee about it since its something a normal person wouldn't have access to.
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I guarantee you there are dozens or hundreds of people who could have afforded to take this sub ride, were interested in seeing the titanic, and then looked at the sub, the company and its operations, and noped the #### out of doing it.
Case in point, a friend of Hamish Harding paid to down to see the Titanic with OceanGate and then bailed because he had concerns about the safety and general hokiness of the craft. He also convinced 2 other friends who were going to do it as well to back out. Maybe that is how Rush made the most money.
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But then, I also used the zip lines in Costa Rica so perhaps maybe I would be crushed to death. I sure hope you lot would crack some good jokes on my accord.
Its about the money, let's be real. There's definitely an element of dunking on the wealthy/billionaires going on. All sorts of people, at all income levels, take all sorts of stupid risk, all the time. People have to get rescued from hiking in places they shouldn't be, skiing where they shouldn't, camping trips gone wrong, traveling off the beaten path, whatever.
This was a dumb risk but there seems to be an extra amount of internet glee about it since its something a normal person wouldn't have access to.
It's 100% about the money that's changing attitudes/social etiquette that people would normally feel beholden to.
And the nature of the trip and cost are the basis people are using to make larger stereotypes about the people involved.
"Must be doing it for ego and glory, why else"
It's not like being/becoming wealthy converts you to a husk of a human being. If you were dropped $100 million in your lap tomorrow you would still be you. And chances are these wealthy individuals have made larger philanthropic contributions than the people taking glee in their demise ever will.
It's just a funny thing how people think and the lines they draw based on only a few facts and no personal knowledge of the people involved or their motivations.
As the above poster noted, every one takes risks, and at least a few stupid ones over the course of their life. It's not unique to the privileged.
Its about the money, let's be real. There's definitely an element of dunking on the wealthy/billionaires going on. All sorts of people, at all income levels, take all sorts of stupid risk, all the time. People have to get rescued from hiking in places they shouldn't be, skiing where they shouldn't, camping trips gone wrong, traveling off the beaten path, whatever.
This was a dumb risk but there seems to be an extra amount of internet glee about it since its something a normal person wouldn't have access to.
No, I think that one of the space flights blowing up would be looked at as more of a tragedy than this. This is one about Hubris that makes it interesting. Also the duration of it allows the shock to turn into gallows humour.
Though Fuzz on post two nailed the spirit of the thread before much was known about this.
Damn, man. I'm glad I don't harbour that much hatred for any one.
Maybe public humiliation or a simple and effective taint punch. But not suffocating to death at the bottom of the ocean with no food, minimal leg room and four other people losing their ####.
That's not hate. That's indifference.
Die cramped, starving, and suffocating in the depths of darkness because of your own hubris for all I care. Enjoy your last moments as an insufferable ####.
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I have always wondered how wealthy and important you have to be when your murder would be considered and assassination, or when your side chick becomes a mistress. It sounds like they are doing the same thing with wealthy tourists becoming explorers.
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CBS Journalist Recounts His Experience on Missing ‘Titan’ Sub: 'It Is The Darkest You Can Possibly Imagine'
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Pogue shares that the conditions can be uncomfortable, however.
“But as you dive, it gets colder and colder and colder,” he says. “And so they instruct you to wear layers and bring winter jackets and the ski socks because you don't wear shoes onto the sub. It's also probably worth mentioning that there is no real toilet on board. There is a pee bottle and a set of Ziploc bags. That's basically it. And if you have to go, you go to one end of the sub and you draw a privacy curtain, and Stockton [Rush, CEO and founder of OceanGate] turns up the music loud and you go.”
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Pogue continues, “So anyway, and that's relevant because on the day of, you have a sandwich and a bottle of water, and that's it. Because they don't expect this dive to take more than 10 or 12 hours. So think about the people who've been down there since Sunday. It is freezing cold. They apparently have no power because remember, we lost communication with them. So they have no light. So it's blacker than black. It is the darkest you can possibly imagine at the bottom of the sea. And they have no food or water.”
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“I was petrified in the days leading up to this,” he says. “I didn't sleep at all the night before the dive. My rational brain was satisfied that this was safe because I had had an elaborate tour of the sub and all the safety precautions and all the backup equipment. But emotionally, you can't control your emotions. And I knew that I was getting on a prototype, experimental vehicle. It had, at that point, made over 20 successful journeys to the Titanic without any injuries of any kind. So my intellectual brain thought, well, ultimately it must be safe. But emotionally, it was another story.”
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Pogue was also required to sign a waiver before his dive, which he says is “quite clear about all the ways that you could be permanently disabled, emotionally traumatized or killed.”
“So everybody doing this goes in with their eyes-wide-open that this is an experimental vessel,” Pogue says. “The waiver says ‘This vessel has not been inspected or certified by any government body.' So you know very well that it is a one of a kind vessel."
“Imagine a metal tube a few meters long with a sheet of metal for a floor. You can’t stand. You can’t kneel. Everyone is sitting close to or on top of each other,” Loibl said. “You can’t be claustrophobic.”
During the 2.5-hour descent and ascent, the lights were turned off to conserve energy, he said, with the only illumination coming from a fluorescent glow stick.
The dive was repeatedly delayed to fix a problem with the battery and the balancing weights. In total, the voyage took 10.5 hours.
The group was lucky and enjoyed an amazing view of the wreck, Loibl said, unlike visitors on other dives who only got to see a field of debris or in some cases nothing at all. Some customers lost nonrefundable payments after bad weather made descent impossible.
He described Rush as a tinkerer who tried to make do with what was available to carry out the dives, but in hindsight, he said, “it was a bit dubious.”
“I was a bit naive, looking back now,” Loibl said. “It was a kamikaze operation.”
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A man who survived being stuck in a submersible for 3 days said it felt like there wasn't even 'one atom of hope' left for him as time dragged on
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A man who survived after being stuck in a submersible for three days in 1973 spoke to Newsweek about the immense mental strain he went through when plunged into a similar life-and-death scenario.
"They will have absolutely not one atom of hope," said Roger Mallinson of the people in the missing Titan tourist submersible.
Mallinson, a former British Royal Navy pilot, survived the world's deepest underwater rescue in September 1973, according to the Guinness World Records. He was with his late co-pilot, Roger Chapman, when a broken hatch sent their submersible, the Pisces III, plummeting 1,575 feet below sea level. The two men had been on a regular dive to lay transatlantic telephone cables on the seabed, just 150 miles off the coast of Ireland.
There was a happy ending to Mallinson's story: He and Chapman were rescued from the Pisces III on September 1, 1973, with just 12 minutes of oxygen left, per the BBC.
"It took 84 hours to rescue us," Mallinson told Sky News. "We didn't have enough food. We didn't have enough oxygen."
"We just had to really be rationing everything and look after each other," he added.
So if you got that wealthy and did activities that a person in that bracket could afford (because that's naturally what one would do) you're saying it should erase the inherent value of your life or sympathy that it warrants if you happened to die because your activities are offensive to people who don't have access to them?
I think a lot of people just dislike rich people. Which is good and healthy.
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It's in human nature to push limits and take risks. Otherwise everest wouldn't be littered with the dead.
I have nothing but disdain for all the people who climb the Everest, whether they live or die. It's a worthless wasteful, ecologically harmful exercise that's 100% narcissism and hubris. After the first one, no one else is "pushing limits" anymore.
I'd like to make a comparison to James Cameron here. That's also a rich, powerful white guy interested in deep sea exploration. But when he did it, he developed useful new technology while doing it, and made contributions to science by discovering previously unknown deepwater species while he was at it. He didn't just go to the Titanic, he filmed it to help him create a hugely popular piece of art, and his exploration of the wreckage significanly increased our understanding of the details of the event. When he could do anything he wanted in cinema after the success of Titanic, he basically dedicated the rest of his career to advancing cinema technology and making epic scifi films about the importance of preserving nature.
That's a person who actually pushes the limits of what humans can do with technology, and who puts his effort into something that you can argue is worthwhile. Even though he's reportedly a huge a-hole with a massive ego, he didn't spend his money and effort doing something 100% self-serving. His passion for deep sea exploration wasn't just about ego, it was also about science and art and history.
These people at the bottom of the ocean are just dumb tourists. They didn't try to do anything that was worth doing in the first place.
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In my mind, it went from S&R to salvage ops ten hours ago.
Now the job is to get that sub off the floor and clean up the mess. That's it. And that'll take likely months.
Why would they give a #### about getting something off the ocean floor at 14,000 depth if not to save the people? I don't think they would even bother with any form of cleanup to retrieve bodies.
Maybe there's some purpose like finding out how it went wrong for the lawsuits and maybe some grieving rich family would want to recover the bodies at their cost. Perhaps if they were actually at the Titanic's wreck to preserve it. But I can't imagine there would be any appetite to clean up the mess, which is practicably negligible if the tube is intact, and all but gone if it was imploded.
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I think a lot of people just dislike rich people. Which is good and healthy.
Sorry, what? I need to hear your rationale beyond just a general disdain for inequality. I don't think it's particularly healthy to dislike any group based on an attribute. Judge people on their character, not a characteristic.
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