Saying he did nothing of note is unfair, he's 34th all time in career points and has over 500 career goals.
What did Jarome Iginla do in his career that was so much more impressive than Turgeon? A couple of Rocket Richards? Turgeon played in an era where he had to compete with guys like Lemieux, Gretzky, etc for individual awards.
If guys like Jarome Iginla, Adam Oates, Mike Modano, Brendan Shanahan, Mike Gartner, etc are HHOFs then so is Pierre Turgeon.
Turgeon’s career covered the highest scoring era in NHL history. Some of those guys (ie Gartner) benefit from the inflated scoring of that era. In Turgeon’s best season, 1992-93, no fewer than 21 players scored 100 pts or more.
To put that in perspective, when Iginla won the scoring title in 2001-02 with 96 points, he was one of only 4 players to score 80 points.
That’s not Turgeon’s fault, but I do think it’s something HHOF voters should consider.
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Saying he did nothing of note is unfair, he's 34th all time in career points and has over 500 career goals.
What did Jarome Iginla do in his career that was so much more impressive than Turgeon? A couple of Rocket Richards? Turgeon played in an era where he had to compete with guys like Lemieux, Gretzky, etc for individual awards.
If guys like Jarome Iginla, Adam Oates, Mike Modano, Brendan Shanahan, Mike Gartner, etc are HHOFs then so is Pierre Turgeon.
For a time, Iginla was considered the best player in the NHL.
Turgeon was never top 5.
I'm in favor of a higher standard for the HHOF.
I struggle with this because of the way the NHL has botched things. He played in 1294 games and was over a PPG over his career. That's very impressive even if he didn't win anything and I am a believer that winning a cup doesn't define a player as Bourque was a very late career trade away from never having a ring himself. How do you let in middle roster guys like Kevin Lowe and Guy Carbonneau and deny players that were perennial all stars over the entirety of their career as I'm a firm believer in production over intangibles when it comes to HOF. It's not the Hall of Good Guys or Hall of Good Leaders after all.
I think that's the problem is that they have lowered the admissions bar over time.
When he scored 76 goals and 127 points he was certainly top 5.
It is HOF of production but I'm challenging that it should be about more than just production.
If you think Kipper is more deserving than Vernon, you probably didn't watch Vernon play.
You can say Stanley Cups are team wins, but a Conn Smythe says you were the best player on your championship team. A Vezina trophy is nice, but a Conn Smythe is better. The Wings were a great team but couldn't get over the hump. It was Vernon who led that group to their first championship.
The year the Flames won, they didn't play well in the first round, it was Vernon who shut the door in Game 7, multiple game saving saves in OT.
Also, bloodying Roy in the most epic goalie fight in NHL history should get Vernon into the Hall alone.
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When he scored 76 goals and 127 points he was certainly top 5.
It is HOF of production but I'm challenging that it should be about more than just production.
That exact same season Turgeon had 132 points and 58 points, led his team in scoring by 45 points.
Mogilny had 76 goals and 127 points, but finished behind LaFontaine on his own team by 21 points. He wasn't even the best player on his own team.
Lemieux, Lafontaine, Oates, Yzerman, Selanne (Also 76 goals), Turgeon had more points than Mogilny that season too.
Sure the Russian stuff is a factor for Mogilny and he was a huge influencer as the first defector to the NHL...but think it's that same factor holding him back right now due to political tensions TBH.
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That exact same season Turgeon had 132 points and 58 points, led his team in scoring by 45 points.
Mogilny had 76 goals and 127 points, but finished behind LaFontaine on his own team by 21 points.
Lemieux, Lafontaine, Oates, Yzerman, Selanne (Also 76 goals), Turgeon had more points than Mogilny that season too.
Well agree to disagree but there was a moment where Mogilny was considered one of the tippy top players in the league. Turgeon was always just a highly productive offense only player, that never won anything or accomplished anything or did anything notable.
