[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I was throwing this idea around, with Duclair as a base, for Hanifin. Just the fact that Duclair would have the Huberdeau connection and he is a on a sweetheart deal for another year. But yeah, this is pretty brutal as such, I was thinking about what the Panthers could add but they don't really have much. Only A level prospect is Samoskevitch and I think that would be too big of a piece.

Unless Lundell is coming with Duclair then it's not happening.

Those Julian Mackenzie proposals are terrible.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Did all these reporters just miss Provorov getting traded for a 1st and 2 2nds
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The Flyers also ate 7.65 mil of cap for 1 year and 5 mil for two. Recent trades have shown that eating 6.5+ mil cap for a single season is worth a late 1st in itself.

So the value of Provorov himself was considerably lower than a 1st and 2 2nds.

The Athletic article was based on discussions with several other NHL correspondents. Which is more likely?

A) Hanifin is worth less than a lot of Flames fans think.

B) Several correspondents in different NHL cities all have a hate-on for the Flames. For reasons.

The offers seem a bit low, but I expect they’re closer to the actual return than a lot of fan proposals being bandied around.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flyers also ate 2.65 mil of cap space next season (Walker) and 5 mil of cap two more years (Peterson). So 7.65 mil for 1 year and 5 mil for two. Recent trades have shown that eating 6.5+ mil cap for a single season is worth a late 1st in itself.

So the value of Provorov himself was considerably lower than a 1st and 2 2nds.

The Athletic article was based on discussions with several other NHL correspondents. Which is more likely?

A) Hanifin is worth less than a lot of Flames fans think?

B) Several correspondents in different NHL cities all have a hate-on for the Flames. For reasons.

If we are going to believe best reporters opinions then I am going to get my Leo Carlsson jersey on order immediately. End of the day they are not really any more knowledgeable about trade value than any hardcore fan who follows the league closely.

The Vancouver Province had an article where the writer thought the return would be 11th pick, Garland, 3rd and 4th round picks. Unless it is Lebrun which writers on the Athletic have a clue vs other writers and fans?

[Ashasx]

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[Saqe]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Unless Lundell is coming with Duclair then it's not happening.

Those Julian Mackenzie proposals are terrible.

You really think the Flames can get a 21 year old top 6 center prospect, who's on an ELC, for Hanifin? Lundell has been a roster player for them for two years now, I don't think the Panthers would do that trade straight up let alone include Duclair.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flyers also ate 7.65 mil of cap for 1 year and 5 mil for two. Recent trades have shown that eating 6.5+ mil cap for a single season is worth a late 1st in itself.

So the value of Provorov himself was considerably lower than a 1st and 2 2nds.

The Athletic article was based on discussions with several other NHL correspondents. Which is more likely?

A) Hanifin is worth less than a lot of Flames fans think.

B) Several correspondents in different NHL cities all have a hate-on for the Flames. For reasons.

The offers seem a bit low, but I expect they’re closer to the actual return than a lot of fan proposals being bandied around.

You're forgetting C.

C) Most reporters actually have no idea what they are talking about.

All those proposals are beyond bad and none of them make much sense to be honest. Like that Dallas Stars proposal is one of the worst proposals I've ever seen. A meh prospect, a cap dump, and a 4th round pick. Like what is that.

Originally Posted by Saqe

You really think the Flames can get a 21 year old top 6 center prospect, who's on an ELC, for Hanifin? Lundell has been a roster player for them for two years now, I don't think the Panthers would do that trade straight up let alone include Duclair.

It's a lot closer than just Duclair.

And it's more that the Panthers just have no other attractive pieces that would work. No first. Denisenko and Samoskevich don't move the needle. If other teams are offering picks in that 10-20 range then Lundell is the only piece that is close. Is Lundell worth the 13th overall pick in this draft straight up...I think that's probably a discussion and probably pretty close.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You're forgetting C.

And it's more that the Panthers just have no other attractive pieces that would work. No first. Denisenko and Samoskevich don't move the needle. If other teams are offering picks in that 10-20 range then Lundell is the only piece that is close. Is Lundell worth the 13th overall pick in this draft straight up...I think that's probably a discussion and probably pretty close.

Samoskevitch and Denisenko are not same level prospects and I would argue a first round pick in the 10-20 range is far less valuable than Lundell since he is already a proven commodity.

I wouldn't give up a young roster player like Lundell for Hanifin due to the cap implications (Hanifin will get paid vs. ELC contract). And I'm not saying that because it's the Panthers, I don't think any other team would do that either.

If it's the picks and prospects route, I think the Flames end up getting a mid-late first rounder and prospect(s) that are less proven than Lundell.

[jar_e]

Has there been any indication on what eight teams are part of his MNTC? I presume it’s the usual bottom feeders/undesirable locations but wasn’t sure if there was anything floating out there from previous reports.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Has there been any indication on what eight teams are part of his MNTC? I presume it’s the usual bottom feeders/undesirable locations but wasn’t sure if there was anything floating out there from previous reports.

I'd assume the same except I think a smart player would leave off teams that would be unlikely for a trade anyway. Like Edmonton. I wonder if Hanifin included Vancouver or not, on the assumption that they were already bogged down with OEL and also because Calgary and Vancouver almost never trade.

[CgyFlamesftw]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Julien with 5 mock Hanifin trades on the Athletic: https://theathletic.com/4619313/2023...shared_article

1. Buffalo:
Krebs+13 for Hanifin+16
Personally it is not enough unless Krebs is literally about to pop and become an everyday top 6 forward. Buffalo adds at least the 39th pick to this or perhaps the Flames swap 16 for the 48th pick

2. Dallas
Colin Miller, Christian Kyrou, 4th round pick for Hanifin
I hate this deal I am not sure where Kyrou is as a prospect however so maybe it is not as bad as it looks to me.

3. Florida
Duclair for Hanifin
Straight trash deal. Absolutely horrendous

4. Nashville
Tomasino, Parssinen, 15th pick for Hanifin and the 16th pick
Another trash deal. Makes sense if the Flames don’t include their own pick

5. Pittsburgh
Joseph, Smith, Granlund, 14 for Hanifin and 16
Another mediocre return.

These are some straight up brutal proposals in my opinion.

I don’t know how but he managed to make worse trade
Proposals than 99% of HFboards. My god adding hanifin just to move up 3 spots??? This a joke?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flyers also ate 7.65 mil of cap for 1 year and 5 mil for two. Recent trades have shown that eating 6.5+ mil cap for a single season is worth a late 1st in itself.

So the value of Provorov himself was considerably lower than a 1st and 2 2nds.

The Athletic article was based on discussions with several other NHL correspondents. Which is more likely?

A) Hanifin is worth less than a lot of Flames fans think.

B) Several correspondents in different NHL cities all have a hate-on for the Flames. For reasons.

The offers seem a bit low, but I expect they’re closer to the actual return than a lot of fan proposals being bandied around.

Based on those offers I would say it is much more likely that B is the case.

I am far from what anyone here would consider someone who will overrate our player but for the most parts those deals aren't bad they are god awful.

Duclair for Hanifin?? There is no justification for the deal. There is not a single thing anyone could argue that makes that deal make sense.

Dallas- Miller is a 30 year old bottom pairing defenseman that has no value for the Flames, a 4th? meh so that leaves Christian Kyrou who is a 2nd round pick that hasn't jumped up in terms of development. How does that deal make any sense?

Pittsburgh 14 for 16 is a wash which leaves 3 very mediocre players one that seems to be a cap dump in Granlund. How does that make any sense?

Those deals are horrible not close to even making sense from a team building or value sense at all. Those are the deals that fans make when they want to get rid of their junk to get a top player. Outside of Krebs there isn't a single player any of those teams or fans would care about losing to get a guy that is at worst a 26 year old top 4 defenseman and potentially a quality #2.

[Toast_Man]

Guys, I don't think Julian McKenzie is going to last long as the Flames GM... but seriously, it's just a fun exercise with other beat writers who are being conservative and not wanting to cause a stir like Portzline. I agree though, Hanafin is criminally underrated in all those proposals.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Samoskevitch and Denisenko are not same level prospects and I would argue a first round pick in the 10-20 range is far less valuable than Lundell since he is already a proven commodity.

I wouldn't give up a young roster player like Lundell for Hanifin due to the cap implications (Hanifin will get paid vs. ELC contract). And I'm not saying that because it's the Panthers, I don't think any other team would do that either.

If it's the picks and prospects route, I think the Flames end up getting a mid-late first rounder and prospect(s) that are less proven than Lundell.

My point is more that I just don't think they are a match.

Lundell is the only piece that would have equivalent value to the going rate for deals like this tends to be a 1st and 2 2nds. Lundell is the only piece that would fit since Florida has no picks or other prospects of real value.

Also based on most of the past season and Panthers fans have chatted about Duclair then I would have said he's more of a salary dump than a piece with value.

I just don't see a deal to be made here with Florida since they don't have the assets.

[Sandman]

Those are horrid proposals, but Tommasino would be a great get from the Preds if we dealt with them. Great speed and hands.

[Mr.Coffee]

The Buffalo one isn't bad, Krebs is a stud for sure and he will be a bonafide top 6 forward, maybe as soon as next season (IMO).

Hanifin is enormously overrated on CP, too. He's pretty average if you ask me.

[Canada 02]

this is "average"

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The Buffalo one isn't bad, Krebs is a stud for sure and he will be a bonafide top 6 forward, maybe as soon as next season (IMO).

Hanifin is enormously overrated on CP, too. He's pretty average if you ask me.

What was your opinion on Jaybo when he was here? Or a guy like Pietrangelo? Hanifin has that kind of play in his future IMO.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The Buffalo one isn't bad, Krebs is a stud for sure and he will be a bonafide top 6 forward, maybe as soon as next season (IMO).

Hanifin is enormously overrated on CP, too. He's pretty average if you ask me.

Yeah that's probably the only one that is remotely okay.

But even then Krebs + moving up 3 picks doesn't feel like a great return, just an acceptable return.

[Buzzard]

If nothing else, Hanifin's salary alone for next year has to be worth at least a high 2nd!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah that's probably the only one that is remotely okay.

But even then Krebs + moving up 3 picks doesn't feel like a great return, just an acceptable return.

I think they should ask for Tuch, Krebs and a first.

Seriously - what happenbed to Krebs last year? He went from 7 goals/22 points in 48 games as a rookie to only 9 goals/26 points in 74 games.