Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Petronas LNG wasn't cancelled because of federal goalpost moving. There are primarily two reasons it was cancelled:

1- protests by a small group of indigenous protesters, which occasionally included violence
2- Petronus not performing environmental due diligence on the proposed jetty over the endangered sea grass that is basically a hatchery and habitat for many aquatic species in the area

The Canadian government had nothing to do with that.

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LNG Canada is still rolling along, hasn't stopped yet. Petronas is a partner of 5 companies in a JV (Shell, Petronas, PetroChina, Mitsubishi and Kogas). Did you mean a different project?

The most hilarious part about this project is trying to get the Dutch, Malaysians, Chinese, Japanese and Koreans to work together with a federal regulator in Canada. What could go wrong?

https://www.lngcanada.ca/news/

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by #-3

2x4s went from $3.25 CAD to $13 CAD to $3.75 CAD
Oil went from $55 USD to $110 USD to $70 USD,
Steel went from $650 US to $1900 US and is hovering around $850 US now.

Another big one was Urea. In the past three years it went from ~$250/T to over $1000/T and is now back to around $300/T. Fertilizer prices basically doubled seemingly overnight in Fall of 2021 and that was after they had already been increasing to levels most users hadn't seen or prepared for.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

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LNG Canada is still rolling along, hasn't stopped yet. Petronas is a partner of 5 companies in a JV (Shell, Petronas, PetroChina, Mitsubishi and Kogas). Did you mean a different project?

The most hilarious part about this project is trying to get the Dutch, Malaysians, Chinese, Japanese and Koreans to work together with a federal regulator in Canada. What could go wrong?

https://www.lngcanada.ca/news/

Different project. Petronas started work on their own LNG facility in Prince Rupert.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1670854571986386970

[Fuzz]

They've got him this time, for sure!

[Locke]

WTF? That was 5 years and an election ago....

Yeah, it sucks, but they got away with it.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Another big one was Urea. In the past three years it went from ~$250/T to over $1000/T and is now back to around $300/T. Fertilizer prices basically doubled seemingly overnight in Fall of 2021 and that was after they had already been increasing to levels most users hadn't seen or prepared for.

And it's important to note that many of those reductions are just starting to reach end users now, as most of the intermediate stages of the supply chains clung to those increase as long as there was robust pent up demand following the outages of whatever they were selling in 2020. With demand starting to balance off to normal levels, the buyers are becoming more and more successful at linking product costs back up with their base commodity costs, which have long since fallen way off their peak.

The tipping point in this inflation run was always transitory, I think people just underestimated how long of a cycle we were in, and how resistant sellers would be to returning the price gains they realized. With the long cycle some base salaries and consumer expectations did experience real inflation, that will stick for sure. But to blame this inflation on government policy, or expect it will sustain itself for years to come just isn't what the market has showing for a while now (if you consider base commodity prices the bellwether for what everything else will cost in the future, I'm a commodities guy, so I'm pretty bias to seeing the world through that lens)

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1670854571986386970

Wouldn't want to let truth get in the way of a good story:

The RCMP says it is not investigating allegations of political interference in the federal handling of criminal charges against engineering firm SNC-Lavalin.

In a statement today, the Mounties set the record straight after a recent response to a public interest group's Access to Information request suggested the Mounties were conducting such a probe.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/no-i...rcmp-1.6447460

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Wouldn't want to let truth get in the way of a good story:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/no-i...rcmp-1.6447460

Whoa.

[CaptainCrunch]

I guess the one question I have for the RCMP. In their response to democracy watch they said they had redacted all of those documents because they were investigating specific members of the government for obstruction of justice.


then they come out this afternoon with the statement that they are not in an active investigation. So then what's the reasons for the redactions?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I guess the one question I have for the RCMP. In their response to democracy watch they said they had redacted all of those documents because they were investigating specific members of the government for obstruction of justice.


then they come out this afternoon with the statement that they are not in an active investigation. So then what's the reasons for the redactions?

Incompetence within the RCMP. I don't think anyone within the organization know what is and isn't going on.

[CaptainCrunch]

Possibly, I don't have a lot of faith in the RCMP.



I do remember faintly that during the whole SNC Lavalin affair that reports came out that the RCMP wanted to initiate an investigation into the PMO office, went and requested documents and the PMO told them to get lost and that was the end of it.



I guess there's no reason now not to unredact those documents to democracy watch now.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Wouldn't want to let truth get in the way of a good story:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/no-i...rcmp-1.6447460

Not surprising that someone would release a fake report on the same day as four by-elections were being held. Given that the CPC's leader is the same guy who spearheaded the robocall effort in 2011, I suspect we'll see more of the same moving forward.

[Yoho]

Just Transition

https://twitter.com/user/status/1671138869050331137

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Given that the CPC's leader is the same guy who spearheaded the robocall effort in 2011, I suspect we'll see more of the same moving forward.

That seems like quite the scoop, source?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I guess the one question I have for the RCMP. In their response to democracy watch they said they had redacted all of those documents because they were investigating specific members of the government for obstruction of justice.


then they come out this afternoon with the statement that they are not in an active investigation. So then what's the reasons for the redactions?

Because the National Post is a complete rag that ran the story and got people riled up for no reason. They should redact their ‘story’ as well as a certain poster in this thread that was all too eager to post a tweet about it.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Just Transition

https://twitter.com/user/status/1671138869050331137

Typical government moving slower than the pace of business. Oil companies came after oil workers weeks ago.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Because the National Post is a complete rag that ran the story and got people riled up for no reason. They should redact their ‘story’ as well as a certain poster in this thread that was all too eager to post a tweet about it.

lol.

So the reason the RCMP redacted the entire document (86 total pages) is because the National Post is a complete rag?

I mean it has nothing to do with the fact that the RCMP literally told Democracy Watch on May 25 that they still have an active investigation going.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1670937216611237889

Now they're saying they don't. I guess just a minor mistake getting that wrong.

Blame the National Post!
That rag!

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Because the National Post is a complete rag that ran the story and got people riled up for no reason. They should redact their ‘story’ as well as a certain poster in this thread that was all too eager to post a tweet about it.

There's nothing to redact if the statement was made, and CaptainCrunch's statement still stands, RCMP is contradicting itself. Here is the document:

https://democracywatch.ca/wp-content...tMay252023.pdf

Page 1 explicitly states that this matter is currently under investigation, as the reason for the redaction. That is verbatim direct from the RCMP.

This statement gets reported on, and RCMP immediately backtracks on its own words once the statement becomes public.

Also note the RCMP's most recent comments, in the updated story from NP.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ion-of-justice

Democracy Watch had received May 25 response to an access-to-information request filed by the group’s co-founder Duff Conacher that was partially denied by the Mounties, as the RCMP said the requested records concerned a matter “currently under investigation,” and invited him to resubmit his request once court proceedings had concluded.

However, the RCMP’s statement on Monday evening said its response to Conacher’s access to information request “was sent using information available at the time.

Democracy Watch responded Monday night on Twitter that the RCMP was “contradicting itself.” If the documents it had requested from the RCMP had been refused improperly, because the RCMP had claimed it was due to an investigation, which it now says it dropped, the group said they should be released now.

“(T)he RCMP should release the 86 pages they refused to disclose to DWatch because the matter was ‘currently under investigation,'” the group tweeted.

Guess in a month things change. May 25 this matter was under investigation, today is is not.

So if the RCMP erroneously stated on this requested report that the matter is currently under investigation when it was not the case as they now state, it should thus un-redact the requested report they erroneously redacted. Very simple solution to this

I'm sure you and others would agree to this right? If Democratic Watch want to go on a wild goose chase and supposedly there is nothing in those redacted documents of concern as there is no ongoing investigation, let them do so.

[belsarius]

Or maybe the documents were compiled prior to Jan 2023 when the investigation ended, and it took 4-5 months sitting on someone's desk before being sent back to the requestor.

At the time the relevant people pulled the documents, they were protected. By the time the final report was sent they weren't. I seriously doubt the person sending out the letter replying to the request went back to review if the investigation was still ongoing.

Nothing nefarious or underhanded. Just the timelines a bureaucracy takes to return information.