[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 868904

He’s never healthy in-season. Take the 2nd at the start of the season and be done with it.

For years the Canucks thought they’d trade him at the deadline for a haul and every year he was too injured to trade.

Be a student of history and you won’t make the same mistakes others have.

I doubt the Canucks entertained trading him at the deadline until his last year of his contract.

In the last year of his contract with Vancouver he played 69 games and they still didn't trade him.

[shotinthebacklund]

I would doubt Tanev is available for trade currently at the draft as any team is going to be interested in his health status. I thought we had heard he needed some healing post season.

[Roof-Daddy]

One thing this thread has shown me is that the Flames have a pretty decent and deep D-core, especially with Kylington set to come back, and providing he hasn't lost a step or two with a year off.

Good balance of left and right shots, most of them still in their primes. Only thing really missing is a true offensive catalyst from the back end, but Weegar and Andersson should be able to hold their own in that regard, plus Kylington and maybe Porier is able to earn an NHL spot this coming season.

Only real problem I see is having a bunch of them set to become free agents in one years time. Don't want to walk any valuable assets straight to free agency, done it too much in the past.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If Lindholm isn't staying and say one other UFA (lets say Toffoli for arguments sake), and they're traded for futures.

Does that make the Flames likely to miss the playoffs so you can carry the other 4-5 into the deadline and make out like bandits?

That's the issue.

Running them back with expiring contracts could be a huge turning point for the franchise, but if they're good enough to be a bubble team they may end up walking them to free agency.

Have to think Lindholm is the key in all of this (obvious I know)

Lindholm and Hanifin are the ones in line for big money extensions.

They are one toe-pick or stray elbow away from costing themselves tens of millions of dollars - Hanifin in particular should only look at John Klingberg (who is also UFA again this year) to see what can happen to D who overplay their hands, and Hanifin has never been as dynamic as Klingberg.

The draft is the 28th - make your best offer before then. If either guy hasn’t signed on the line which is dotted it by the morning of the 28th, they aren’t signing.

At that point, Conroy’s job is to maximize the return. A sign and trade + 50% retained on both would return a monumental package that could accelerate this team’s fortunes by a couple years.

Backlund, Toffoli, Tanev and Zadorov are all on good contracts and will be useful to teams at the deadline, and then Calgary can walk into the 2024 draft with potentially an extra 1st or two, certainly two extra 2nds ++ in addition to whatever they get for Hanifin and Lindholm (which should be at least two more 1sts, two good prospects and some reasonably good cap dumps.

They’re not gonna go full Oiler and Ram the ship into the iceberg, but seizing this moment to add a plethora of young assets is what a good organization would do.

They’re not going to win a championship with Huberdeau, Lindholm and Kadri as their best players.

But they might win one with Huberdeau and Kadri at some point, if their best players aren’t yet in the organization.

My $0.02.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't see that as likely though.

You make your call this summer and the players you need to move. Then it's up to the team to see if you move those assets. Can't see them moving Tanev if they're in a playoff spot.

If Lindholm is out ... I feel safer that they won't be in the mix even if they're forced to pretend they are.

I also think making moves now shortens the rebuild window if you make good moves.

I would be excited if this team draft 3 times in around 10-25 in this draft. I would consider trades with guys like Backlund, Toffoli and Tanev for picks in 2024. If you move Hanifin and Lindholm, key picks is better in this years draft.

The sooner we have players start to make the team the better. Kadri and Huberdeau aren't young so adding young players to the roster sooner than later can change how long this rebuild lasts.

Trading everyone now also is a big part of how we replace high end players. Drafting 1-5 is much different than drafting 6-10 in 2024. Keeping Toffoli, Tanev and Backlund to the deadline thinking you will get more is a mistake.

Backlund now for a 2nd vs at the trade deadline for 2 2nds is not better if you are drafting 10th overall next year vs 3rd or better. How many teams drafting 10th overall would trade multiple 1sts to move up to top 3? We once talked about trading 6th overall and 2 firsts for 1st overall to get MacKinnon. Colorado would not have made this deal. 1st CGY 2024 will be our most valuable asset if we go full tank for 1 year.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Lindholm and Hanifin are the ones in line for big money extensions.

They are one toe-pick or stray elbow away from costing themselves tens of millions of dollars - Hanifin in particular should only look at John Klingberg (who is also UFA again this year) to see what can happen to D who overplay their hands, and Hanifin has never been as dynamic as Klingberg.

The draft is the 28th - make your best offer before then. If either guy hasn’t signed on the line which is dotted it by the morning of the 28th, they aren’t signing.

At that point, Conroy’s job is to maximize the return. A sign and trade + 50% retained on both would return a monumental package that could accelerate this team’s fortunes by a couple years.

Backlund, Toffoli, Tanev and Zadorov are all on good contracts and will be useful to teams at the deadline, and then Calgary can walk into the 2024 draft with potentially an extra 1st or two, certainly two extra 2nds ++ in addition to whatever they get for Hanifin and Lindholm (which should be at least two more 1sts, two good prospects and some reasonably good cap dumps.

They’re not gonna go full Oiler and Ram the ship into the iceberg, but seizing this moment to add a plethora of young assets is what a good organization would do.

They’re not going to win a championship with Huberdeau, Lindholm and Kadri as their best players.

But they might win one with Huberdeau and Kadri at some point, if their best players aren’t yet in the organization.

My $0.02.

This post is a total pipe dream of someone who doesn't get the Flames are not rebuilding anytime in the near future no matter how many times they hear it. Also, Hanifin is a much better D man than Klingberg. Klingberg is like an offensive forward on D, sure he QB's a PP better than Hanifin but that's it. As a matter of fact Klingberg might be the worst defenceman in his own zone in the entire league.

[868904]

Tanev’s injury history will prevent any team from trading a 1st round pick for him. Even if he’s healthy at the deadline, a team will factor into the cost that he probably won’t stay healthy during a long playoff run.

All this talk about Taney getting moved for a first at the deadline was said over and over again by Canuck fans. If they did get a 1st, they would have moved him. Great player, warrior, but he can’t be relied on and that affects his market value.

[jar_e]

Are people expecting the Flames to actually sell at the deadline? Zero chance it happens if they’re competing or in a playoff spot. Any movements of these names will likely happen in the off season if they even happen.

People expecting for a king’s ransom for Tanev or others at the deadline are going to be disappointed IMO.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Are people expecting the Flames to actually sell at the deadline? Zero chance it happens if they’re competing or in a playoff spot. Any movements of these names will likely happen in the off season if they even happen.

People expecting for a king’s ransom for Tanev or others at the deadline are going to be disappointed IMO.

Nashville did EXACTLY that same thing this year and made the playoffs.

Stop sounding so high and mighty. Anything can happen.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This post is a total pipe dream of someone who doesn't get the Flames are not rebuilding anytime in the near future no matter how many times they hear it. Also, Hanifin is a much better D man than Klingberg. Klingberg is like an offensive forward on D, sure he QB's a PP better than Hanifin but that's it. As a matter of fact Klingberg might be the worst defenceman in his own zone in the entire league.

It doesn’t matter if they say they are or are not rebuilding, and it doesn’t matter if Hanifin is better than Klingberg.

The point is, a blown ACL, a separated shoulder, a concussion that keeps him out for three months, and all of a sudden Noah Hanifin goes from a 7x$7M or more player to maybe a 5x$6M, or whatever.

Likely? Perhaps not.

Possible? Certainly.

Beside the point? Absolutely - I don’t care about these guys getting set up for life financially - I care if my hockey team can transform a couple pending UFAs with zero trade restrictions into some high value teenagers that can help my team for the next decade.

Hanifin is quality. He doesn’t have that next level offense to his game. And he’s not some defensive wizard either. He’s a good player.

He’s not a superstar, and the Flames paying him more than Weegar when he’s nowhere near as good doesn’t help them in the short or long term.

He’s durable, he’s reasonably reliable, and he was drafted 5th overall. Somehow, his potential is still his biggest selling point.

Now, if both Hanifin and Lindholm are signed before the draft, great - it’s not what I’d do, but it’s not my money.

If they aren’t signed before the crowd has a chance to boo Gary in two weeks time, they can’t be on the roster opening night, or it’s just Gaudreau all over again.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It doesn’t matter if they say they are or are not rebuilding, and it doesn’t matter if Hanifin is better than Klingberg.

The point is, a blown ACL, a separated shoulder, a concussion that keeps him out for three months, and all of a sudden Noah Hanifin goes from a 7x$7M or more player to maybe a 5x$6M, or whatever.

Likely? Perhaps not.

Possible? Certainly.

Beside the point? Absolutely - I don’t care about these guys getting set up for life financially - I care if my hockey team can transform a couple pending UFAs with zero trade restrictions into some high value teenagers that can help my team for the next decade.

Hanifin is quality. He doesn’t have that next level offense to his game. And he’s not some defensive wizard either. He’s a good player.

He’s not a superstar, and the Flames paying him more than Weegar when he’s nowhere near as good doesn’t help them in the short or long term.

He’s durable, he’s reasonably reliable, and he was drafted 5th overall. Somehow, his potential is still his biggest selling point.

Now, if both Hanifin and Lindholm are signed before the draft, great - it’s not what I’d do, but it’s not my money.

If they aren’t signed before the crowd has a chance to boo Gary in two weeks time, they can’t be on the roster opening night, or it’s just Gaudreau all over again.

I don't disagree with you, but if the Flames trade Hanifin I don't see it being for draft picks.It will be for another top 6 forward and if they do trade him for draft capital they will flip that for a top 6 forward instead.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't disagree with you, but if the Flames trade Hanifin I don't see it being for draft picks.It will be for another top 6 forward and if they do trade him for draft capital they will flip that for a top 6 forward instead.

I'd be terrified of that if Brad were still the GM - Conroy has me hoping they might avoid doing more Classic Calgary Flames Things this time, and actually turn a 1-year player into a 10 year one. Remains to be seen.

Hanifin with an extension for Nylander with an extension is something I'd consider, but only if the addition of an extended Nylander is enough to lock up Lindholm.

Outside of that, not grabbing an extra 1st (or more) in the supposed deepest draft in a decade when we are absolutely in a position to do so feels like leaving money on the table.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Nashville did EXACTLY that same thing this year and made the playoffs.

Stop sounding so high and mighty. Anything can happen.

Just fell short.

[BigJim]

I'm going to be very interested to see if Conroy sticks to what he said in his introduction. If he is true to his word, the Flames will not go into the season with anyone on an expiring contract. I know they are not saying the word "rebuild", but the caveat on that has to be proper asset management. I think this also includes selling at the deadline. We all know that if the Flames are either in the playoffs or almost there, they will not sell and risk players leaving for nothing. They need to address those expiring contracts now. Next few weeks are going to be very interesting!

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Nashville did EXACTLY that same thing this year and made the playoffs.

Stop sounding so high and mighty. Anything can happen.

I don't see flames ownership agreeing to that, though

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I'd be terrified of that if Brad were still the GM - Conroy has me hoping they might avoid doing more Classic Calgary Flames Things this time, and actually turn a 1-year player into a 10 year one. Remains to be seen.

I'm not sure why posters thing that going from Treliving to Conroy will change things.

The decision to rebuild or not to rebuild lies, as always, with Ownership.

Now, maybe to some extent Conroy does do a bit of a rebuild. But that will only be because Ownership has allowed him to do so.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by BigJim

I'm going to be very interested to see if Conroy sticks to what he said in his introduction. If he is true to his word, the Flames will not go into the season with anyone on an expiring contract. I know they are not saying the word "rebuild", but the caveat on that has to be proper asset management. I think this also includes selling at the deadline. We all know that if the Flames are either in the playoffs or almost there, they will not sell and risk players leaving for nothing. They need to address those expiring contracts now. Next few weeks are going to be very interesting!

I don't think he said we wouldn't enter the season with ANYONE on an expiring contract.

[AustinL_NHL]

I think people are going to be shocked by how different the Flames and their direction are going to look after this offseason.

I'm so excited to see what's in store these next few weeks and to see a younger, faster-paced teamed that let's creativity flourish in the offensive zone while sticking with Sutter's main approach that kept his systems elite wherever he went (limited shot/chance volume against, high shot/chance volume for) but with some minor tweaks. Combine that with major changes to lineup decisions and that is going to make this team must-watch next season.

Keeping my hopes high based on their intros.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I'm not sure why posters thing that going from Treliving to Conroy will change things.

The decision to rebuild or not to rebuild lies, as always, with Ownership.

Now, maybe to some extent Conroy does do a bit of a rebuild. But that will only be because Ownership has allowed him to do so.

Brad was in “do stupid #### to keep his job” territory.

Conroy isn’t.

And trading players who have told you they aren’t coming back isn’t rebuilding.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I don't think he was trying to save his job.
I think he was executing a plan with the constraints and objectives imposed on him by his boss.

And on paper it looked pretty good. I don't think he is the type of person that would have done things to damage the team long-term. But I think he was under pressure to replace players and get them signed. So he did his best to deliver on that.