[News] Calgary, Alberta, & CSEC agree in principle to $1.223bn Event Centre + infrastructure

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Let me get this straight. We have all these long wait times at hospitals at a time when the Flames have the oldest arena and football stadium in their leagues. The secret to fixing these long wait times is to not fund an arena?

its so cool when you see people accidently figure something out.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

its so cool when you see people accidently figure something out.

It's just so easy right?

[Lumby Lager]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

In other unrelated news

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...ecommendations

Apparently your opinion as well before you posted it.

[Flame On]

There are lots of people in this thread that are telling me they're not parents, without telling me they're not parents.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Economic boon LOL, what is this earth shattering economic boon that comes from a new arena? Has Edmonton experienced it?

Read

Vs no arena

When did Edmonton not have an arena?

Point being eventually you have to build a new even center.

To suggest having major events in your city doesn't inject money into the economy is dumb.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Let me get this straight. We have all these long wait times at hospitals at a time when the Flames have the oldest arena and football stadium in their leagues. Not funding an arena will magically fix this issue because all the money that may go to an arena would magically go to hospitals? Is that right?

This times 1000

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Let me get this straight. We have all these long wait times at hospitals at a time when the Flames have the oldest arena and football stadium in their leagues. Not funding an arena will magically fix this issue because all the money that may go to an arena would magically go to hospitals? Is that right?

the fact you consider investing in our health care instead of a sports arena as magic is kind of depressing.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

the fact you consider investing in our health care instead of a sports arena as magic is kind of depressing.

I have to give you credit, this is expert level misrepresenting what he said.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Let me get this straight. We have all these long wait times at hospitals at a time when the Flames have the oldest arena and football stadium in their leagues. Not funding an arena will magically fix this issue because all the money that may go to an arena would magically go to hospitals? Is that right?

So you're suggesting that if we had only put the "not funding an arena" dollars for the past 20+ years to hospitals, we wouldn't have the health care crunch we're experiencing right now?!?! Why didn't we not build an arena sooner?! Darn you, government!! Darn you to heck!!!

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

the fact you consider investing in our health care instead of a sports arena as magic is kind of depressing.

The provincial budget for healthcare is $24.5B.

The province is contributing $330MM to this arena development.

The health budget would not magically be $24.83B if this project was cancelled.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Read

Vs no arena

When did Edmonton not have an arena?

Point being eventually you have to build a new even center.

To suggest having major events in your city doesn't inject money into the economy is dumb.

Hmmm, maybe, maybe not. Depends how you define major events and what is required to host them.

You don’t need an arena to host them, for example. And the cost to host them might very well (often does) outweigh the money they inject (if they inject any, as opposed to moving it around).

So, dumb? Eh, I think economists would disagree with you.

[flambers]

Seriously, why not discuss this stuff in the non hockey forum

Time to move on

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Let me get this straight. We have all these long wait times at hospitals at a time when the Flames have the oldest arena and football stadium in their leagues. Not funding an arena will magically fix this issue because all the money that may go to an arena would magically go to hospitals? Is that right?

Brilliant argument. I can't afford to pay off my entire credit card bill right now, so I'm just not gonna pay it at all and book a trip to Cabo!!!! Because, if I can't 100% magically solve my entire credit card bill, it really is pointless to make anything more than the minimum payment.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The provincial budget for healthcare is $24.5B.

The province is contributing $330MM to this arena development.

The health budget would not magically be $24.83B if this project was cancelled.

Yes I realize that a failed arena deal doesn't just move money to where it ought to be spent. I thought we'd be sophisticated enough to understand that when people who are outraged at this corporate wellfare bring up wait times and the state of our medical care in the province we mean more money should be spent there instead of a passtime for the upper crust double meat people of Alberta, a plaything and toy for the ultra wealthy.

[dino7c]

Only rich people have been to the dome?

Pretty sure every single person I know within a 200km radius has been there

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Let me get this straight. We have all these long wait times at hospitals at a time when the Flames have the oldest arena and football stadium in their leagues. Not funding an arena will magically fix this issue because all the money that may go to an arena would magically go to hospitals? Is that right?

Some of us are just so ####ing jaded because we know exactly what will happen. In 2 years the UCP will claim we have no money, and cuts have to be made. Healthcare gets slashed and privatized, services go downhill, and we all get to look at how many hundreds of millions of dollars went to a shiny arena for millionaires to play for billionaires, while we wait 3 years to see a specialist(or shortcut the line with cash!).


If money was unlimited, it wouldn't matter. But dollars have to be allocated, and because we elect people to budget and spend where appropriate, well, this just ends up screwing us down the road.


Frankly, I find it pathetic that this even needs to be pointed out, as it happens so often I just assume you all are goldfish.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Some of us are just so ####ing jaded because we know exactly what will happen. In 2 years the UCP will claim we have no money, and cuts have to be made. Healthcare gets slashed and privatized, services go downhill, and we all get to look at how many hundreds of millions of dollars went to a shiny arena for millionaires to play for billionaires, while we wait 3 years to see a specialist(or shortcut the line with cash!).


If money was unlimited, it wouldn't matter. But dollars have to be allocated, and because we elect people to budget and spend where appropriate, well, this just ends up screwing us down the road.


Frankly, I find it pathetic that this even needs to be pointed out, as it happens so often I just assume you all are goldfish.

How was the budgeting from 2015-2019? Did any of that get new hospitals etc.?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Only rich people have been to the dome?

Pretty sure every single person I know within a 200km radius has been there

You live in a rich neighbourhood. A really really large rich neighbourhood.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Physicians interviewed for a recent CBC story cited patients who don’t need emergency care as the main factor in the wait time crisis. Many don’t have a family doctor, or the wait to see their doctor is two weeks or longer. So there are structural reasons for the misallocation of patients. But most people in emergency are not suffering from health emergencies - they’re suffering from some issue that they don’t want to wait 2-3 weeks to have looked at.

The whole way we deliver primary care needs to restructured.

More family doctors.

[Finger Cookin]

I'm impressed that this thread is not only going to solve the problem of how to properly breakdown the correct way to fund an arena and infrastructure project, but also the public healthcare system. Is there anything CP can't do?